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Tropical Photography
Posts: 35564
Sarasota, Florida, US
Daniela Victoria wrote: Nude modeling. Glamour modeling. Art modeling. Showing any skin whatsoever.... Countless threads on "my family/boyfriend/husband/girlfriend doesn't approve and it hurts...what do I do?" Has anyone ever thought to say to that person or those people that it's THEM disappointing YOU and not the other way around? Why is it that people in our lives feel that it's simply perfect for them to tell us how we should conduct our modeling (i.e. nudes and not doing nudes) and it's not OK for us to be upset with them? Why do THEY get to be upset with US but we don't get to be upset and disappointed at how close minded they are? Folks- if there is a person in your life, or people that say they can't handle your modeling (Esp. for you nude models out there) then express to them that you are hurt by that and move on. )Put it on them. Don't sit there and say "how do I handle this because my so-and-so doesn't approve", but instead say to that so-and-so that YOU don't approve of THEIR negativity toward modeling nude or just modeling in general. I'm disappointed in those that are close to models and don't support them. I think it's bullshit. I think it's the models that should be upset and not their family or friends or significant others. I'm just tired of these threads. You don't approve of my modeling? I don't approve of you. It's YOU disappointing ME. Try that next time someone gives you crap. That doesn't work? Walk away. /rant. YA know, I have to say this is one of your best posts.. I've lost count how many times I've thought this.. Excellent job of expressing this.. Now ladies, AND gents, take it to heart and make it your mantra!!!
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Greg Kolack
Posts: 18392
Elmhurst, Illinois, US
Daniela Victoria wrote:
I'm so glad I disowned my family on Christmas. No more "she's a whore" stuff to deal with. I found it hysterical that none of them knew about Playboy- and yet all my friends here and everywhere knew about it immediately. It says something when you'll share that with your friends and not your family. Really does. I know it's different because I don't have any kids and I am not part of your family, but it seems like, if Daniela was my daughter - or Elle, and any number of other models here - I would be SO proud of them. The have made a success out of doing what they love. They are really good at it. They work hard. They are beautiful. They have strong personalities. They don't need anyone to look after them. They aren't turning tricks, selling drugs, laying in the gutter with a cheap wine bottle, spending time in jail, or doing anything to hurt themselves or others. There are so many people who have fucked up their lives and others, and you are going tolook down on your own kid or daughter in law for feeling so good about themselves that they are comfortable doing nude work? Well, how about this: To all of you models out there who don't have families that take pride in you - I am proud of you and support you 200%.
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Dances with Wolves
Posts: 25108
SHAWNEE ON DELAWARE, Pennsylvania, US
stan wigmore photograph wrote: Well said,unfortunalty, it's just human nature. It's human to be an asshole and narrow-minded? This is why I like animals and not people.
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Feral Oneiric
Posts: 5949
Portland, Oregon, US
Daniela Victoria wrote:
It's human to be an asshole and narrow-minded? This is why I like animals and not people. x2
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Dances with Wolves
Posts: 25108
SHAWNEE ON DELAWARE, Pennsylvania, US
Mickle Design Werks wrote: Please give me an address to send a bunch of Roses to you!!! Thanks you so much for saying this!!
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Dances with Wolves
Posts: 25108
SHAWNEE ON DELAWARE, Pennsylvania, US
Greg Kolack wrote: There are so many people who have fucked up their lives and others, and you are going tolook down on your own kid or daughter in law for feeling so good about themselves that they are comfortable doing nude work? Important. Very. I'd rather have a child that modeled nude and expressed herself than one doing nothing except maybe drugs.
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StaciF
Posts: 876
New York, New York, US
This was a great post- We all have to deal with it- As I tell my mom who has to report to me how certain members of my family don't approve of some images of me on the internet- "It is my life and my body - and you are just jealous because no one wants to see you without clothes on " Rock on- Self Esteem is your most important possesion- and many people try to steal it away.
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Dances with Wolves
Posts: 25108
SHAWNEE ON DELAWARE, Pennsylvania, US
StaciF wrote: "It is my life and my body - and you are just jealous because no one wants to see you without clothes on " I'll be using that too Thanks.
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Luke Jaywalker
Posts: 40
Boston, Massachusetts, US
Well said. I appreciate this thread for a different reason - it makes me *so* glad that, by contrast, I have parents who support me in whatever I do. I hadn't viscerally realized how lucky I was.
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Dances with Wolves
Posts: 25108
SHAWNEE ON DELAWARE, Pennsylvania, US
Luke Jaywalker wrote: I appreciate this thread for a different reason - it makes me *so* glad that, by contrast, I have parents who support me in whatever I do. I hadn't viscerally realized how lucky I was. It is amazing how much you appreciate a person that believes in you and stands by you when you hear how many people don't have that.
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UIPHOTOS
Posts: 3591
Dayton, Ohio, US
swhnyc wrote: vic·tim / Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[vik-tim] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation ânoun 1. a person who suffers from a destructive or injurious action or agency: a victim of an automobile accident. 2. a person who is deceived or cheated, as by his or her own emotions or ignorance, by the dishonesty of others, or by some impersonal agency: a victim of misplaced confidence; the victim of a swindler; a victim of an optical illusion. One thing to be FOOLED, another to have self inflicted wounds and expect sympathy.. So to be a victim of oneself isnt what your original post was about.. but victim in the broad sense can be applied to anything.. as per websters.. Good thing I have never cared what others thought of me.. I do what I do with a clear conscience and in an effort to enjoy the time I have.. How others define me means nothing in my big picture.. Kudos to those who DONT have that victim mentality..
Daniela Victoria wrote: It is amazing how much you appreciate a person that believes in you and stands by you when you hear how many people don't have that. AMEN.. My grandmother made me believe anything was possible.. so I was only limited by my own imagination and willingness to work for it.. and all these years later, I STILL believe it..
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Creativity Farm
Posts: 1772
Westville, New Jersey, US
RA Photos wrote: Probably one of the best threads I have ever read, and so on the money with your point. Sadly this country has a big hang up on nudity, but no problem with violence. Religon has too much influence with a lot of families and if a member of the family shows a little skin they shun them. Which is horrible, if your family or loved ones should support what you do. I am sick of hearing I would love to pose nude but my family or boyfriend won't let me, which is just a lame excuse. If you don't want to do something, then let it be your choice, not someone else. Anyhow, you rock Daniela. Is it time to take it to the next level and start staging public protests? I'm sure they'd be quite popular.
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Kristen LT
Posts: 3564
New York, New York, US
I am not usually pessimistic, but I know wholeheartedly that if my family found out about my nude photos, they would be embarrassed, ashamed and disappointed. It kinda breaks my heart cuz I'm a good girl and have a good heart and I just wanna have some fun on this whirling ball of dirt. It breaks my heart a little, and I wish it were as easy as walking away or pointing out their obvious judgmental attitude. But then again, at least I am not a mime. Hahaha! J/k, I love ya, ya crazy mimes!
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Kevin Connery
Posts: 17824
El Segundo, California, US
Daniela Victoria wrote: If you're already in a relationship and decide to take on a new adventure i.e. shooting nudes- discussion is fine but you're supposed to support those that you care about. You don't support me? Then you don't care. And I won't care in return. Well put.
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Abbyvdet
Posts: 700
Charleston, South Carolina, US
OOOO... count me in! Thank You!!! Applause, applause, applause!!!
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Stan Orlob Photography
Posts: 163
Salt Lake City, Utah, US
Daniela Victoria wrote: I so need a new tiara. Cause you know I have one. LOL. It should have lots of diamonds, rubies, and sapphires and an orb and sceptre to go with it.
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Naomi Jay
Posts: 1436
New York, New York, US
What if they want you to pose nude and you're over it lol It's great to have someone supportive and if they can't, you need to move on.
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Dances with Wolves
Posts: 25108
SHAWNEE ON DELAWARE, Pennsylvania, US
Naomi Jay wrote: What if they want you to pose nude and you're over it lol It's great to have someone supportive and if they can't, you need to move on. Conversation recently had with my boyfriend: Me: So I'm not doing nudes anymore. Him: Not even if I shoot them? Me: I walk around the house naked- what do you care? Him: I like naked pictures of you.
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Anthony J Martinez
Posts: 202
San Marcos, California, US
best. post. ever. People fail to realize, rather often, that everyone has the freedom of expression - which includes the freedom to not give a damn what anyone else expresses. If someone expresses disapproval over something that brings you joy, that's solidly their problem, and ultimately their loss. Keep doing what you do, and do it for you.
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Goodbye4
Posts: 2532
Los Angeles, California, US
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swhnyc
Posts: 1327
New York, New York, US
UIPHOTOS wrote: One thing to be FOOLED, another to have self inflicted wounds and expect sympathy.. So to be a victim of oneself isnt what your original post was about.. but victim in the broad sense can be applied to anything.. as per websters.. Good thing I have never cared what others thought of me.. Ummm... good for you, I guess? Some people are indoctrinated from the time they're children to believe that they're only as good as other people tell them. Not everyone is born with a coat of armor. Why the hostility? What's to be gained from it?
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Xeris - Dwight
Posts: 4369
Austin, Texas, US
Couldn't agree more with the OP. Narrow minded people are reprehensible. Pleas proceed to pull your heads out.
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Z_Photo
Posts: 7079
Huntsville, Alabama, US
Daniela Victoria wrote:
Conversation recently had with my boyfriend: Me: So I'm not doing nudes anymore. Him: Not even if I shoot them? Me: I walk around the house naked- what do you care? Him: I like naked pictures of you.
he is most definitely not a cult of one
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Xeris - Dwight
Posts: 4369
Austin, Texas, US
Daniela Victoria wrote: Him: I like naked pictures of you.
Me too!
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Julie McNatt
Posts: 197
Plano, Illinois, US
you are amazing... I really admire your attitude. I couldn't have said it better myself... and I don't even do nudes lol
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Gennavive Leigh
Posts: 1422
Allentown, Pennsylvania, US
Good point...and very well stated.
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Jackie A
Posts: 4829
Birmingham, Alabama, US
I approve of this message.
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GEHCreative
Posts: 508
Hillsboro, Oregon, US
Daniela Victoria wrote: Nude modeling. Glamour modeling. Art modeling. Showing any skin whatsoever.... Countless threads on "my family/boyfriend/husband/girlfriend doesn't approve and it hurts...what do I do?" Has anyone ever thought to say to that person or those people that it's THEM disappointing YOU and not the other way around? Why is it that people in our lives feel that it's simply perfect for them to tell us how we should conduct our modeling (i.e. nudes and not doing nudes) and it's not OK for us to be upset with them? Why do THEY get to be upset with US but we don't get to be upset and disappointed at how close minded they are? Folks- if there is a person in your life, or people that say they can't handle your modeling (Esp. for you nude models out there) then express to them that you are hurt by that and move on. )Put it on them. Don't sit there and say "how do I handle this because my so-and-so doesn't approve", but instead say to that so-and-so that YOU don't approve of THEIR negativity toward modeling nude or just modeling in general. I'm disappointed in those that are close to models and don't support them. I think it's bullshit. I think it's the models that should be upset and not their family or friends or significant others. I'm just tired of these threads. You don't approve of my modeling? I don't approve of you. It's YOU disappointing ME. Try that next time someone gives you crap. That doesn't work? Walk away. /rant. Good rant as always!
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Katja Katarina
Posts: 73
Colorado Springs, Colorado, US
Daniela Victoria wrote: Nude modeling. Glamour modeling. Art modeling. Showing any skin whatsoever.... Countless threads on "my family/boyfriend/husband/girlfriend doesn't approve and it hurts...what do I do?" Has anyone ever thought to say to that person or those people that it's THEM disappointing YOU and not the other way around? Why is it that people in our lives feel that it's simply perfect for them to tell us how we should conduct our modeling (i.e. nudes and not doing nudes) and it's not OK for us to be upset with them? Why do THEY get to be upset with US but we don't get to be upset and disappointed at how close minded they are? Folks- if there is a person in your life, or people that say they can't handle your modeling (Esp. for you nude models out there) then express to them that you are hurt by that and move on. )Put it on them. Don't sit there and say "how do I handle this because my so-and-so doesn't approve", but instead say to that so-and-so that YOU don't approve of THEIR negativity toward modeling nude or just modeling in general. I'm disappointed in those that are close to models and don't support them. I think it's bullshit. I think it's the models that should be upset and not their family or friends or significant others. I'm just tired of these threads. You don't approve of my modeling? I don't approve of you. It's YOU disappointing ME. Try that next time someone gives you crap. That doesn't work? Walk away. /rant. That's a wonderful point darling, and you have all the respect in the world from me..
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Bon voyage MM
Posts: 9508
Honolulu, Hawaii, US
Daniela Victoria wrote: Nude modeling. Glamour modeling. Art modeling. Showing any skin whatsoever.... Countless threads on "my family/boyfriend/husband/girlfriend doesn't approve and it hurts...what do I do?" Has anyone ever thought to say to that person or those people that it's THEM disappointing YOU and not the other way around? Why is it that people in our lives feel that it's simply perfect for them to tell us how we should conduct our modeling (i.e. nudes and not doing nudes) and it's not OK for us to be upset with them? Why do THEY get to be upset with US but we don't get to be upset and disappointed at how close minded they are? Folks- if there is a person in your life, or people that say they can't handle your modeling (Esp. for you nude models out there) then express to them that you are hurt by that and move on. )Put it on them. Don't sit there and say "how do I handle this because my so-and-so doesn't approve", but instead say to that so-and-so that YOU don't approve of THEIR negativity toward modeling nude or just modeling in general. I'm disappointed in those that are close to models and don't support them. I think it's bullshit. I think it's the models that should be upset and not their family or friends or significant others. I'm just tired of these threads. You don't approve of my modeling? I don't approve of you. It's YOU disappointing ME. Try that next time someone gives you crap. That doesn't work? Walk away. /rant. Smart, smart model
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CW Foto
Posts: 238
Dallas, Texas, US
Well put. People have accused me of being a pornographer for shooting nudes. Actually had a girlfriend break up with me for it. Oh well.... Gotta do what makes you happy....at the end of the day, it's you that your looking at in the mirror.
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rickOPIOLA
Posts: 415
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
i'm behind this totally... every time a model i've shot with tells me that she's getting grief from someone over modeling (none of them even model nude) i tell them it's not their problem, it's the other persons problem... if it's not modeling then it'll be something else... these people just want to control... one model in particular ended up quitting modeling because of her boyfriend and then not long after that, the bf found something else that he didn't like that she was doing... eventually she realized that, dumped him and got back into modeling... it's your life, do what you want... there'll always be someone out there that will love you for who you are, not what you do... but until you find that person, do what you love... thanks daniela for the thread...
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angryphotoman
Posts: 230
Syracuse, New York, US
congrats... and the best thing of all, this was written by a MODEL... not some photographer thinking this is a good idea. Let's make this a letter to the editor of the NY Times.... sadly, noone would care.
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Greg Lankenau
Posts: 399
Fresno, California, US
Daniela for president! I'd vote for you at least twice. -G
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WIP
Posts: 15973
Cheltenham, England, United Kingdom
Turning things upside down the negative reaction on 'some' people can be positive as it fires up determination and motivation to succeed. Fred Astaire was told he could'nt dance, act or sing. By sheer hard work and proving his critics wrong he became great. But giving people encouragement is the best thing of all. This I heard on an interview with a politician Tony Benn on BBC Radio 5. He also went on to say the with encouragement people go onto do amazing things.
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Bia T
Posts: 463
Dot Syndrome wrote:
That's a wonderful point darling, and you have all the respect in the world from me.. In total agreement here. I think I'm going to email it to my sister. :-) You made my day. Thank you!
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Dances with Wolves
Posts: 25108
SHAWNEE ON DELAWARE, Pennsylvania, US
Windham Photo wrote: Well put. People have accused me of being a pornographer for shooting nudes. I sent out a mass email to everyone in my address book (it's never ever updated with regard to people I should delete) and it was linked to a photoalbum I had for candid pictures. Without even opening the mail, my stepmother told me that her and my father aren't interested in my soft core porn that I do. Dude- it was candid photos. And I don't do porn. Washed up cunt. And yes, that's what I called her.
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Chicago Model
Posts: 809
Chicago, Illinois, US
well, I guess that's better than accidentally sending everyone in your addy book an album of "skin". LMAO Love ya girl.
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