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Photographer

Tropical Photography

Posts: 35564

Sarasota, Florida, US

Daniela Victoria  wrote:
Nude modeling.
Glamour modeling.
Art modeling.
Showing any skin whatsoever....

Countless threads on "my family/boyfriend/husband/girlfriend doesn't approve and it hurts...what do I do?"

Has anyone ever thought to say to that person or those people that it's THEM disappointing YOU and not the other way around?

Why is it that people in our lives feel that it's simply perfect for them to tell us how we should conduct our modeling (i.e. nudes and not doing nudes) and it's not OK for us to be upset with them? Why do THEY get to be upset with US but we don't get to be upset and disappointed at how close minded they are?

Folks- if there is a person in your life, or people that say they can't handle your modeling (Esp. for you nude models out there) then express to them that you are hurt by that and move on. )Put it on them. Don't sit there and say "how do I handle this because my so-and-so doesn't approve", but instead say to that so-and-so that YOU don't approve of THEIR negativity toward modeling nude or just modeling in general.

I'm disappointed in those that are close to models and don't support them. I think it's bullshit. I think it's the models that should be upset and not their family or friends or significant others.

I'm just tired of these threads.

You don't approve of my modeling? I don't approve of you.
It's YOU disappointing ME.

Try that next time someone gives you crap. That doesn't work? Walk away.

/rant.

YA know, I have to say this is one of your best posts.. I've lost count how many times I've thought this..

Excellent job of expressing this.. Now ladies, AND gents, take it to heart and make it your mantra!!!

Dec 27 07 01:43 pm Link

Photographer

Greg Kolack

Posts: 18392

Elmhurst, Illinois, US

Daniela Victoria  wrote:

I'm so glad I disowned my family on Christmas.

No more "she's a whore" stuff to deal with.

I found it hysterical that none of them knew about Playboy- and yet all my friends here and everywhere knew about it immediately.

It says something when you'll share that with your friends and not your family. Really does.

I know it's different because I don't have any kids and I am not part of your family, but it seems like, if Daniela was my daughter - or Elle, and any number of other models here - I would be SO proud of them. The have made a success out of doing what they love. They are really good at it. They work hard. They are beautiful. They have strong personalities. They don't need anyone to look after them. They aren't turning tricks, selling drugs, laying in the gutter with a cheap wine bottle, spending time in jail, or doing anything to hurt themselves or others. There are so many people who have fucked up their lives and others, and you are going tolook down on your own kid or daughter in law for feeling so good about themselves that they are comfortable doing nude work?

Well, how about this: To all of you models out there who don't have families that take pride in you - I am proud of you and support you 200%.

Dec 27 07 01:44 pm Link

Model

Dances with Wolves

Posts: 25108

SHAWNEE ON DELAWARE, Pennsylvania, US

stan wigmore photograph wrote:
Well said,unfortunalty, it's just human nature.

It's human to be an asshole and narrow-minded?

This is why I like animals and not people.

Dec 27 07 01:44 pm Link

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Feral Oneiric

Posts: 5949

Portland, Oregon, US

Daniela Victoria  wrote:

It's human to be an asshole and narrow-minded?

This is why I like animals and not people.

x2

Dec 27 07 01:44 pm Link

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Dances with Wolves

Posts: 25108

SHAWNEE ON DELAWARE, Pennsylvania, US

Mickle Design Werks wrote:
Please give me an address to send a bunch of Roses to you!!!

Thanks you so much for saying this!!

smile

Dec 27 07 01:44 pm Link

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Dances with Wolves

Posts: 25108

SHAWNEE ON DELAWARE, Pennsylvania, US

Greg Kolack wrote:
There are so many people who have fucked up their lives and others, and you are going tolook down on your own kid or daughter in law for feeling so good about themselves that they are comfortable doing nude work?

Important. Very.

I'd rather have a child that modeled nude and expressed herself than one doing nothing except maybe drugs.

Dec 27 07 01:56 pm Link

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StaciF

Posts: 876

New York, New York, US

This was a great post- We all have to deal with it- As I tell my mom who has to report  to me how certain members of my family don't approve of some images of me on the internet-
            "It is my life and my body - and you are just jealous because no one wants to see you without clothes on "

Rock on-
           Self Esteem is your most important possesion- and many people try to steal it away.

Dec 27 07 02:00 pm Link

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Dances with Wolves

Posts: 25108

SHAWNEE ON DELAWARE, Pennsylvania, US

StaciF wrote:
"It is my life and my body - and you are just jealous because no one wants to see you without clothes on "

I'll be using that too smile Thanks.

Dec 27 07 02:01 pm Link

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Luke Jaywalker

Posts: 40

Boston, Massachusetts, US

Well said.

I appreciate this thread for a different reason - it makes me *so* glad that, by contrast, I have parents who support me in whatever I do. I hadn't viscerally realized how lucky I was.

Dec 27 07 02:49 pm Link

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Dances with Wolves

Posts: 25108

SHAWNEE ON DELAWARE, Pennsylvania, US

Luke Jaywalker wrote:
I appreciate this thread for a different reason - it makes me *so* glad that, by contrast, I have parents who support me in whatever I do. I hadn't viscerally realized how lucky I was.

It is amazing how much you appreciate a person that believes in you and stands by you when you hear how many people don't have that.

Dec 27 07 03:38 pm Link

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UIPHOTOS

Posts: 3591

Dayton, Ohio, US

swhnyc wrote:
vic·tim      / Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[vik-tim] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation

–noun

1. a person who suffers from a destructive or injurious action or agency: a victim of an automobile accident. 
2. a person who is deceived or cheated, as by his or her own emotions or ignorance, by the dishonesty of others, or by some impersonal agency: a victim of misplaced confidence; the victim of a swindler; a victim of an optical illusion.

One thing to be FOOLED, another to have self inflicted wounds and expect sympathy.. So to be a victim of oneself isnt what your original post was about..

but victim in the broad sense can be applied to anything.. as per websters..

Good thing I have never cared what others thought of me.. I do what I do with a clear conscience and in an effort to enjoy the time I have.. How others define me means nothing in my big picture..

Kudos to those who DONT have that victim mentality..


Daniela Victoria  wrote:
It is amazing how much you appreciate a person that believes in you and stands by you when you hear how many people don't have that.

AMEN.. My grandmother made me believe anything was possible.. so I was only limited by my own imagination and willingness to work for it.. and all these years later, I STILL believe it..

Dec 27 07 03:47 pm Link

Photographer

Creativity Farm

Posts: 1772

Westville, New Jersey, US

RA Photos wrote:
Probably one of the best threads I have ever read, and so on the money with your point.  Sadly this country has a big hang up on nudity, but no problem with violence.  Religon has too much influence with a lot of families and if a member of the family shows a little skin they shun them.  Which is horrible, if your family or loved ones should support what you do.  I am sick of hearing I would love to pose nude but my family or boyfriend won't let me, which is just a lame excuse.  If you don't want to do something, then let it be your choice, not someone else. 

Anyhow, you rock Daniela.

Is it time to take it to the next level and start staging public protests?  I'm sure they'd be quite popular.

Dec 27 07 04:01 pm Link

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Kristen LT

Posts: 3564

New York, New York, US

I am not usually pessimistic, but I know wholeheartedly that if my family found out about my nude photos, they would be embarrassed, ashamed and disappointed. It kinda breaks my heart cuz I'm a good girl and have a good heart and I just wanna have some fun on this whirling ball of dirt. It breaks my heart a little, and I wish it were as easy as walking away or pointing out their obvious judgmental attitude. But then again, at least I am not a mime. Hahaha! J/k, I love ya, ya crazy mimes!

Dec 27 07 04:05 pm Link

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Kevin Connery

Posts: 17824

El Segundo, California, US

Daniela Victoria  wrote:
If you're already in a relationship and decide to take on a new adventure i.e. shooting nudes- discussion is fine but you're supposed to support those that you care about.

You don't support me? Then you don't care. And I won't care in return.

Well put.

Dec 27 07 04:47 pm Link

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Abbyvdet

Posts: 700

Charleston, South Carolina, US

OOOO... count me in! Thank You!!! Applause, applause, applause!!! smile

Dec 27 07 04:53 pm Link

Photographer

Stan Orlob Photography

Posts: 163

Salt Lake City, Utah, US

Daniela Victoria  wrote:
I so need a new tiara.

Cause you know I have one. LOL.

It should have lots of diamonds, rubies, and sapphires and an orb and sceptre to go with it.

Dec 27 07 05:28 pm Link

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Naomi Jay

Posts: 1436

New York, New York, US

What if they want you to pose nude and you're over it  lol


It's great to have someone supportive and if they can't, you need to move on.

Dec 27 07 05:31 pm Link

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Dances with Wolves

Posts: 25108

SHAWNEE ON DELAWARE, Pennsylvania, US

Naomi Jay wrote:
What if they want you to pose nude and you're over it  lol


It's great to have someone supportive and if they can't, you need to move on.

Conversation recently had with my boyfriend:

Me: So I'm not doing nudes anymore.
Him: Not even if I shoot them?
Me: I walk around the house naked- what do you care?
Him: I like naked pictures of you.

smile

Dec 27 07 05:53 pm Link

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Anthony J Martinez

Posts: 202

San Marcos, California, US

best. post. ever.

People fail to realize, rather often, that everyone has the freedom of expression - which includes the freedom to not give a damn what anyone else expresses. If someone expresses disapproval over something that brings you joy, that's solidly their problem, and ultimately their loss.

Keep doing what you do, and do it for you.

Dec 27 07 07:32 pm Link

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Goodbye4

Posts: 2532

Los Angeles, California, US

here here daniela!

Dec 27 07 07:57 pm Link

Photographer

swhnyc

Posts: 1327

New York, New York, US

UIPHOTOS wrote:
One thing to be FOOLED, another to have self inflicted wounds and expect sympathy.. So to be a victim of oneself isnt what your original post was about..

but victim in the broad sense can be applied to anything.. as per websters..

Good thing I have never cared what others thought of me..

Ummm... good for you, I guess?

Some people are indoctrinated from the time they're children to believe that they're only as good as other people tell them.  Not everyone is born with a coat of armor.

Why the hostility?  What's to be gained from it?

Dec 27 07 08:41 pm Link

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Xeris - Dwight

Posts: 4369

Austin, Texas, US

Couldn't agree more with the OP. Narrow minded people are reprehensible. Pleas proceed to pull your heads out.

Dec 27 07 08:45 pm Link

Photographer

Z_Photo

Posts: 7079

Huntsville, Alabama, US

Daniela Victoria  wrote:

Conversation recently had with my boyfriend:

Me: So I'm not doing nudes anymore.
Him: Not even if I shoot them?
Me: I walk around the house naked- what do you care?
Him: I like naked pictures of you.

smile

he is most definitely not a cult of one

Dec 27 07 08:45 pm Link

Photographer

Xeris - Dwight

Posts: 4369

Austin, Texas, US

Daniela Victoria  wrote:
Him: I like naked pictures of you.
smile

Me too! big_smile

Dec 27 07 08:48 pm Link

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Julie McNatt

Posts: 197

Plano, Illinois, US

you are amazing... I really admire your attitude. I couldn't have said it better myself... and I don't even do nudes lol

Dec 27 07 10:29 pm Link

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Gennavive Leigh

Posts: 1422

Allentown, Pennsylvania, US

Good point...and very well stated.

Dec 27 07 10:30 pm Link

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Jackie A

Posts: 4829

Birmingham, Alabama, US

I approve of this message. wink

Dec 27 07 10:33 pm Link

Photographer

GEHCreative

Posts: 508

Hillsboro, Oregon, US

Daniela Victoria  wrote:
Nude modeling.
Glamour modeling.
Art modeling.
Showing any skin whatsoever....

Countless threads on "my family/boyfriend/husband/girlfriend doesn't approve and it hurts...what do I do?"

Has anyone ever thought to say to that person or those people that it's THEM disappointing YOU and not the other way around?

Why is it that people in our lives feel that it's simply perfect for them to tell us how we should conduct our modeling (i.e. nudes and not doing nudes) and it's not OK for us to be upset with them? Why do THEY get to be upset with US but we don't get to be upset and disappointed at how close minded they are?

Folks- if there is a person in your life, or people that say they can't handle your modeling (Esp. for you nude models out there) then express to them that you are hurt by that and move on. )Put it on them. Don't sit there and say "how do I handle this because my so-and-so doesn't approve", but instead say to that so-and-so that YOU don't approve of THEIR negativity toward modeling nude or just modeling in general.

I'm disappointed in those that are close to models and don't support them. I think it's bullshit. I think it's the models that should be upset and not their family or friends or significant others.

I'm just tired of these threads.

You don't approve of my modeling? I don't approve of you.
It's YOU disappointing ME.

Try that next time someone gives you crap. That doesn't work? Walk away.

/rant.

Good rant as always!

Dec 27 07 10:37 pm Link

Model

Katja Katarina

Posts: 73

Colorado Springs, Colorado, US

Daniela Victoria  wrote:
Nude modeling.
Glamour modeling.
Art modeling.
Showing any skin whatsoever....

Countless threads on "my family/boyfriend/husband/girlfriend doesn't approve and it hurts...what do I do?"

Has anyone ever thought to say to that person or those people that it's THEM disappointing YOU and not the other way around?

Why is it that people in our lives feel that it's simply perfect for them to tell us how we should conduct our modeling (i.e. nudes and not doing nudes) and it's not OK for us to be upset with them? Why do THEY get to be upset with US but we don't get to be upset and disappointed at how close minded they are?

Folks- if there is a person in your life, or people that say they can't handle your modeling (Esp. for you nude models out there) then express to them that you are hurt by that and move on. )Put it on them. Don't sit there and say "how do I handle this because my so-and-so doesn't approve", but instead say to that so-and-so that YOU don't approve of THEIR negativity toward modeling nude or just modeling in general.

I'm disappointed in those that are close to models and don't support them. I think it's bullshit. I think it's the models that should be upset and not their family or friends or significant others.

I'm just tired of these threads.

You don't approve of my modeling? I don't approve of you.
It's YOU disappointing ME.

Try that next time someone gives you crap. That doesn't work? Walk away.

/rant.

That's a wonderful point darling, and you have all the respect in the world from me..

Dec 27 07 10:49 pm Link

Model

Bon voyage MM

Posts: 9508

Honolulu, Hawaii, US

Daniela Victoria  wrote:
Nude modeling.
Glamour modeling.
Art modeling.
Showing any skin whatsoever....

Countless threads on "my family/boyfriend/husband/girlfriend doesn't approve and it hurts...what do I do?"

Has anyone ever thought to say to that person or those people that it's THEM disappointing YOU and not the other way around?

Why is it that people in our lives feel that it's simply perfect for them to tell us how we should conduct our modeling (i.e. nudes and not doing nudes) and it's not OK for us to be upset with them? Why do THEY get to be upset with US but we don't get to be upset and disappointed at how close minded they are?

Folks- if there is a person in your life, or people that say they can't handle your modeling (Esp. for you nude models out there) then express to them that you are hurt by that and move on. )Put it on them. Don't sit there and say "how do I handle this because my so-and-so doesn't approve", but instead say to that so-and-so that YOU don't approve of THEIR negativity toward modeling nude or just modeling in general.

I'm disappointed in those that are close to models and don't support them. I think it's bullshit. I think it's the models that should be upset and not their family or friends or significant others.

I'm just tired of these threads.

You don't approve of my modeling? I don't approve of you.
It's YOU disappointing ME.

Try that next time someone gives you crap. That doesn't work? Walk away.

/rant.

Smart, smart model smile

Dec 27 07 11:03 pm Link

Photographer

CW Foto

Posts: 238

Dallas, Texas, US

Well put.  People have accused me of being a pornographer for shooting nudes.  Actually had a girlfriend break up with me for it.  Oh well....  Gotta do what makes you happy....at the end of the day, it's you that your looking at in the mirror.

Dec 27 07 11:07 pm Link

Photographer

rickOPIOLA

Posts: 415

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

i'm behind this totally...

every time a model i've shot with tells me that she's getting grief from someone over modeling (none of them even model nude) i tell them it's not their problem, it's the other persons problem... if it's not modeling then it'll be something else... these people just want to control...

one model in particular ended up quitting modeling because of her boyfriend and then not long after that, the bf found something else that he didn't like that she was doing...
eventually she realized that, dumped him and got back into modeling...

it's your life, do what you want... there'll always be someone out there that will love you for who you are, not what you do... but until you find that person, do what you love...

thanks daniela for the thread...

Dec 27 07 11:18 pm Link

Model

Erika Ellis

Posts: 73

Portland, Oregon, US

Daniela is my hero!!!

Dec 28 07 02:33 am Link

Photographer

angryphotoman

Posts: 230

Syracuse, New York, US

congrats... and the best thing of all, this was written by a MODEL... not some photographer thinking this is a good idea.

Let's make this a letter to the editor of the NY Times.... sadly, noone would care.

Dec 28 07 03:23 am Link

Photographer

Greg Lankenau

Posts: 399

Fresno, California, US

Daniela for president!

I'd vote for you at least twice.

-G

Dec 28 07 09:34 am Link

Photographer

WIP

Posts: 15973

Cheltenham, England, United Kingdom

Turning things upside down the negative reaction on 'some' people can be positive as it fires up determination and motivation to succeed.

Fred Astaire was told he could'nt dance, act or sing. By sheer hard work and proving his critics wrong he became great.

But giving people encouragement is the best thing of all. This I heard on an interview with a politician Tony Benn on BBC Radio 5. He also went on to say the with encouragement people go onto do amazing things.

Dec 28 07 09:49 am Link

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Bia T

Posts: 463

Dot Syndrome wrote:

That's a wonderful point darling, and you have all the respect in the world from me..

In total agreement here.  I think I'm going to email it to my sister.  :-)  You made my day.  Thank you!

Dec 28 07 09:50 am Link

Photographer

Ryan Colford Studios

Posts: 2286

Brooklyn, New York, US

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Dec 28 07 09:50 am Link

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Dances with Wolves

Posts: 25108

SHAWNEE ON DELAWARE, Pennsylvania, US

Windham Photo wrote:
Well put.  People have accused me of being a pornographer for shooting nudes.

I sent out a mass email to everyone in my address book (it's never ever updated with regard to people I should delete) and it was linked to a photoalbum I had for candid pictures.

Without even opening the mail, my stepmother told me that her and my father aren't interested in my soft core porn that I do.

Dude- it was candid photos.

And I don't do porn.

Washed up cunt. And yes, that's what I called her.

Dec 28 07 12:13 pm Link

Model

Chicago Model

Posts: 809

Chicago, Illinois, US

well, I guess that's better than accidentally sending everyone in your addy book an album of "skin".


LMAO

Love ya girl.

Dec 28 07 03:14 pm Link