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Tiffany x wrote: Hey you are a beautiful girl with a georgeous smile. Don't listen to the bastards. I have shot girls with short cocktail dresses who have taken SHIT for their modeling. Just because you strike a sexy pose doesn't mean that you are trashy. The ones who say anything probably visit questionable websites anyway. Just brush it off and keep doing what you do. Ciao Dec 28 07 03:23 pm Link well said. Dec 28 07 03:27 pm Link MelissaLynnette LaDiva wrote: I feel the same as the image above plus Dec 28 07 03:27 pm Link Miguel A wrote: Thank you. Dec 28 07 03:31 pm Link I think I love you... Dec 28 07 03:32 pm Link Daniela Victoria wrote: Not to me Dec 28 07 03:37 pm Link MelissaLynnette LaDiva wrote:
Dec 28 07 03:38 pm Link Daniela Victoria wrote: I agree!!!!! And I actually did tell someone they were a moron for chastizing me when they didnt understand the definition of the word whore. Dec 28 07 03:38 pm Link Fifi-Alexis wrote: I love that new haircut. Dec 28 07 03:40 pm Link I didn't read through all the pages because I am lazy...and about to shoot. But HELL YEAH!! I nominate Daniela Victoria for President!! Dec 28 07 03:42 pm Link Catlynn wrote: Exactly. Dec 28 07 03:44 pm Link To family members who object to our work and insist on telling us all about it, I'd like to quote Mr. Ron White: "I'm third generation don't-give-a-fuck."  Happy New Year, Daniela, everybody!Dec 28 07 03:46 pm Link The wish list on your portfolio....uh, is this a common thing for models to do? Dec 28 07 05:25 pm Link Daniela Victoria wrote: I double dog dare you to come to Tyler, Texas and make these statements. Tyler is deep in the heart of the bible belt and there are plenty of close minded people to judge you and tell you that you are sinning and going to hell. I'm waiting for the day when one of them discovers that I shoot nudes and tells me that. I will reply with I guess I will see you there because the 10 commandments say "Thou shalt not judge thy neighbor." I can't wait till I have the money to move to Houston or Dallas and get away from all these hipocrits. Dec 28 07 06:49 pm Link I agree with the OP. Don't live your life in a box others make. Live outside the box, or build your own. Dec 28 07 06:52 pm Link CAJPhoto wrote: Random hijack much? Dec 28 07 09:04 pm Link I recently had an unexepected confrontation with my sister-in-law about the pictures in my port. Long story short, she felt that I was slack as a mother for being involved in such photoshoots and that I am sending a bad message to my daughter and any children that I end up teaching by doing implied nudity, or any other shots with any degree of sex appeal. I basically took the approach you mentioned in your post. Thankfully my immediate family (blood relatives) are supportive but it did shake me a little. People will always find something to pass judgment on. Dec 28 07 10:06 pm Link I don't know.I quit modeling 2 years ago because I coludn't take it.People were telling me I am whore all the time:-(I like my pics but I don't like if somebody who knows me can see them... People are always going to talk regardless; always going to find a way to somehow make you feel bad about yourself. It never fails to piss me off when somebody tries to shove their opinions/beliefs about something down your throat. And if somebody is going to call you a "whore" because of mature photos you have or "scandalous poses" or whatnot, so be it. If that makes them feel better about themselves, SO BE IT. You have the confidence to know that you're a model inside and out no matter how you look or what body type you have, and obviously you're in a better position than those people and are DOING SOMETHING improving with your life, unlike they are. Dec 28 07 11:10 pm Link It still seems like the same issue. For example: - I've decided to start snorting coke. If you don't approve, I'm disappointed you won't support my decision. - I've decided to start smoking. If you don't approve, I'm disappointed you won't support my decision. - I've decided to work in the porn industry. If you don't approve, I'm disappointed you won't support my decision. - I've decided to have an open relationship. If you don't approve, I'm disappointed you won't support my decision. Regardless of what you think of the above, the same argument can be used for everything. Isn't it just another way of saying that you've decided to go ahead regardless of what someone else thinks? Not saying it's right, not saying it's wrong. Just saying it doesn't change anything. Dec 28 07 11:24 pm Link I'm not a nude model because I don't have the balls to do it... But I agree with your rant.  Persoanlly, I like the nude art that's done for art's sake and not just being naked, ya know? Dec 28 07 11:30 pm Link I think I love you for that.  Dec 28 07 11:33 pm Link Nah, I am not disappointed. Dec 28 07 11:38 pm Link Great thread...more should read it...keepin it going! Dec 28 07 11:48 pm Link Rue99 Photography wrote: I don't think you can compare nude modeling to illegal drugs or porn or smoking etc. Dec 29 07 08:57 am Link Melinda Blythe wrote: And what message is that, ya know? Dec 29 07 08:58 am Link OK, I obviously have no issues with nude modeling or photography. At the risk of getting blasted here, doesn't the OP have just as closed minded an attitude? If she wants people to have the right, open minded attitude maybe taking the approach of "I am sorry you don't approve. We just see this differently. Is this something we can work through in a way that makes us both happy? If not then we have to decide if this is one of the sacrifices worth making for this relationship." It is not wrong for people to not want a loved one to be naked for all the world to see. It is just a different opinion. We all have moral standards. Some choose more conservative ones than I do, but I respect that. If they don't respect mine, no big deal. I do my thing. As a photographer I have had a number of dating relationships where the woman ended up uncofortable with what I do. We discussed it like adults and responded accordingly. This does not have to be an "us vs. them" thing. It's still a "we just see differently" thing. I know that people can disapprove of nudity and misjudge those that do it. The anger and venom against them is just as wrong. Their feelings are genuine and right for them perhaps. Perhaps the disapproval is out of love and concern and it is misplaced. Perhaps it is being judgemental. Either way, making any broad strokes saying that you should get rid of anyone that does not like what you do is silly and an immature approach. It lacks balance. No relationship works like that. You WILL have to make sacrifices in the relationship and so will they if it is going to work. Disagreements will happen. Just play the bigger role and make a call abut what is worth sacrificing and what isn't and act accordingly. If I love someone, and they are great to me in a relationship, but they don't want me doing nude photography it might be worth doing something else. If it hurts them, whether I agree or not, maybe the other facets of the relationship make that sacrifice worth it. No one will agree with all I do or approve. It's part of the human condition. I won't judge you even if you misjudge me. It's always best. Balance in everything. "Never argue with an idiot. They will just drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience" Dec 29 07 09:19 am Link Deep Glamour wrote: No, the OP does not have just as closed minded an attitude. Thanks. I checked with her, and she says she doesn't. Dec 29 07 09:22 am Link In the original post you said "You don't approve of my modeling? I don't approve of you. It's YOU disappointing ME. " You said "Folks- if there is a person in your life, or people that say they can't handle your modeling (Esp. for you nude models out there) then express to them that you are hurt by that and move on. )Put it on them. Don't sit there and say "how do I handle this because my so-and-so doesn't approve", but instead say to that so-and-so that YOU don't approve of THEIR negativity toward modeling nude or just modeling in general. I'm disappointed in those that are close to models and don't support them. I think it's bullshit. I think it's the models that should be upset and not their family or friends or significant others." You also said "Try that next time someone gives you crap. That doesn't work? Walk away." That is VERY different than what you just said responding to me. You just said "I can respect my family hating my nude work. I can't respect them calling me a whore behind my back. " Obviously they are wrong for that. Your original post painted MUCH broader strokes. I am no expert here, but it seems like you were lashing out in anger in your original post and what you said lacked balance because you are/were hurting. Your response to me is correct. The OP is more of a personal angry outburst that lacked balance. The same thing they did to you. Emotional reaction isntead of reasonable response. It is never good on either side of an argument or discussion. Dec 29 07 09:32 am Link My point, which I know I am not making perfectly is that saying "You don't approve of my modeling? I don't approve of you." and "I can respect my family hating my nude work. " seem like two different things. Dec 29 07 09:34 am Link Deep Glamour wrote: I think you're misunderstanding what I'm saying. Dec 29 07 09:37 am Link "You judge me? My response is to judge you." You really think that is the right thing to do? Dec 29 07 09:40 am Link Yeah! You tell 'em! Fuck the world! Shit! Can I say the f-word on here. Shit, can I say shit. Shit!!!! Dec 29 07 09:44 am Link Daniela Victoria wrote: I know! it's going to take years to undo these sentiments in my children. *Tsk tsk* Dec 29 07 09:45 am Link Michel Hulsey wrote: Naughty, naughty... Dec 29 07 09:46 am Link Daniela Victoria wrote: This type of psychological maturity, insightful thinking, and touching reflection seems really out of place on MM..... Dec 29 07 10:04 am Link Daniela, you are a goddess. If I had to explain the word 'woman' to an alien, I'd point them at your profile. But you fight fire with water. And you'd be amazed how much more you can piss people off by doing absolutely nothing! Dec 29 07 10:07 am Link waoooh I was looking for this thread all night. Girls if your b/f calls you a whore for doing a swimsuit picture such as my default not to mention nudes/implied dump him! Just like I did last night Dec 29 07 10:08 am Link Followed by this keen insight "You judge me? My response is to judge you." Psychological maturity? Hmmm. Not so sure when the whole picture is displayed that it will look like that Dec 29 07 10:09 am Link Stevieh wrote: Thank you for saying what I wanted to in a much better way than me Dec 29 07 10:10 am Link Hey! I completely forgot! My mom was a showgirl in Las Vegas and Reno. I grew up with the knowledge that the body is a beautiful thing. Tell that to your kids. They'll understand. Dec 29 07 10:15 am Link |
