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Urban Goddess

Posts: 359

Fort Walton Beach, Florida, US

Yeah I definitely will

Mar 10 08 12:49 pm Link

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Dances with Wolves

Posts: 25108

SHAWNEE ON DELAWARE, Pennsylvania, US

bump- because I want this on the first page

Mar 11 08 10:32 am Link

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Miss Riss

Posts: 1045

New Smyrna Beach, Florida, US

Amen to that

Mar 11 08 10:33 am Link

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Lorina

Posts: 43

Southampton, New York, US

word up.

Mar 11 08 10:40 am Link

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Dances with Wolves

Posts: 25108

SHAWNEE ON DELAWARE, Pennsylvania, US

bump

Apr 08 08 04:34 pm Link

Photographer

Holix

Posts: 855

Los Angeles, California, US

Well put!
I must say... this is the first time I've agreed with something you've said, and I'm sure it wont be the last.

Cheers

Apr 08 08 04:39 pm Link

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Hipgnosis Dreams

Posts: 8943

Dallas, Texas, US

I wish this thread would be made Sticky.

Apr 08 08 05:29 pm Link

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Rachel Jay

Posts: 20441

Nashville, Tennessee, US

Bumping.

May 07 08 10:53 am Link

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Aspin Lea

Posts: 1053

Saint Louis, Missouri, US

yay for a good post  smile

May 07 08 11:45 am Link

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Barefoot Bill

Posts: 432

Stone Mountain, Georgia, US

My mom had a fit when she learned my then wife and I were nudists. We didn't want to tell her, but we did an interview for a local newspaper, and it got on the AP wires and republished all over. We told her because we didn't want her to find out by reading the paper.

When it comes to modeling and film nudity, I tell her nothing. A google of my name does reveal some information. But I don't work to please my family, I work to please me. And nothing wrong with nudity.

May 07 08 11:47 am Link

Photographer

RJ Ohrstedt

Posts: 546

Columbus, Ohio, US

Tiffany x wrote:

All I do is going to school and taking care of my baby.But they are still looking for pictures on internet then they find me and tell me I am whore:-(.

Sounds like they are more busy attacking you than supporting you. As others said, that's not love; that's manipulation.

Hard to hear, but you need to cut the ties or they'll destroy you.

May 07 08 11:55 am Link

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Dances with Wolves

Posts: 25108

SHAWNEE ON DELAWARE, Pennsylvania, US

bump

May 07 08 12:19 pm Link

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MaxineInactive

Posts: 133

Newcastle upon Tyne, England, United Kingdom

Well said!

May 07 08 12:33 pm Link

Model

The Original Sin

Posts: 13899

Louisville, Kentucky, US

Daniela Victoria  wrote:
Nude modeling.
Glamour modeling.
Art modeling.
Showing any skin whatsoever....

Countless threads on "my family/boyfriend/husband/girlfriend doesn't approve and it hurts...what do I do?"

Has anyone ever thought to say to that person or those people that it's THEM disappointing YOU and not the other way around?

Why is it that people in our lives feel that it's simply perfect for them to tell us how we should conduct our modeling (i.e. nudes and not doing nudes) and it's not OK for us to be upset with them? Why do THEY get to be upset with US but we don't get to be upset and disappointed at how close minded they are?

Folks- if there is a person in your life, or people that say they can't handle your modeling (Esp. for you nude models out there) then express to them that you are hurt by that and move on. )Put it on them. Don't sit there and say "how do I handle this because my so-and-so doesn't approve", but instead say to that so-and-so that YOU don't approve of THEIR negativity toward modeling nude or just modeling in general.

I'm disappointed in those that are close to models and don't support them. I think it's bullshit. I think it's the models that should be upset and not their family or friends or significant others.

I'm just tired of these threads.

You don't approve of my modeling? I don't approve of you.
It's YOU disappointing ME.

Try that next time someone gives you crap. That doesn't work? Walk away.

/rant.

Dude.  I am totally stealing this to write into the divorce papers.  It's a hell of a lot better than "irreconcilable differences."

May 07 08 12:36 pm Link

Photographer

Frank McAdam

Posts: 2222

New York, New York, US

I agree with the OP completely.  Your friends and family are supposed to be there to support you and your work.

May 07 08 12:37 pm Link

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Dances with Wolves

Posts: 25108

SHAWNEE ON DELAWARE, Pennsylvania, US

The Original Sin wrote:

Dude.  I am totally stealing this to write into the divorce papers.  It's a hell of a lot better than "irreconcilable differences."

I think it could be part of extreme cruetly schedule a.

May 07 08 04:42 pm Link

Clothing Designer

Atelier Benson

Posts: 2019

Detroit, Michigan, US

PREACH!

May 07 08 09:16 pm Link

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Katina Fimmel

Posts: 107

Brisbane, Queensland, Australia

*sigh* Hello , I'm one of the 'weak' girls.

My fiance is very insecure and can't handle me a lot of the time. Used to be very bad when I first met him. He kept suggesting I wear mens clothing so that I had no form. I can pretty much only wear t-shirts. No hint of cleavage. I can never wear a bikini. I can't wear shorts too often because he doesn't feel comfortable with me showing any skin whatsoever. And he has a problem with heels.

It really breaks my heart because I don't feel like I can be my own person. And no matter how much he says he's getting used to it, it just doesn't seem like enough.

The fact that I even want to model kills him. He thinks it's just a way for girls to show off and get attention. I just can't convince him otherwise.

Not every girl has a chance to be a good model, you know? And I feel that I have a good shot, and I'd at least like to try.

It's not easy to just say 'you disappoint me', especially to someone you're very emotionally attached to. I almost broke up with him a month or so ago over this and it killed me. It's ridiculous because it's the only argument we ever have.

It feels really hopeless, but I care for him so much I have to compromise. Don't really have a choice. *sigh*

May 07 08 09:59 pm Link

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MelissaLynnette LaDiva

Posts: 50816

Leawood, Kansas, US

Kittonz wrote:
*sigh* Hello , I'm one of the 'weak' girls.

My fiance is very insecure and can't handle me a lot of the time. Used to be very bad when I first met him. He kept suggesting I wear mens clothing so that I had no form. I can pretty much only wear t-shirts. No hint of cleavage. I can never wear a bikini. I can't wear shorts too often because he doesn't feel comfortable with me showing any skin whatsoever. And he has a problem with heels.

It really breaks my heart because I don't feel like I can be my own person. And no matter how much he says he's getting used to it, it just doesn't seem like enough.

The fact that I even want to model kills him. He thinks it's just a way for girls to show off and get attention. I just can't convince him otherwise.

Not every girl has a chance to be a good model, you know? And I feel that I have a good shot, and I'd at least like to try.

It's not easy to just say 'you disappoint me', especially to someone you're very emotionally attached to. I almost broke up with him a month or so ago over this and it killed me. It's ridiculous because it's the only argument we ever have.

It feels really hopeless, but I care for him so much I have to compromise. Don't really have a choice. *sigh*

I hate to...no I don't.
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May 07 08 10:00 pm Link

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Sam_

Posts: 1372

New York, New York, US

Kittonz wrote:
*sigh* Hello , I'm one of the 'weak' girls.

My fiance is very insecure and can't handle me a lot of the time. Used to be very bad when I first met him. He kept suggesting I wear mens clothing so that I had no form. I can pretty much only wear t-shirts. No hint of cleavage. I can never wear a bikini. I can't wear shorts too often because he doesn't feel comfortable with me showing any skin whatsoever. And he has a problem with heels.

You honestly let your boyfriend tell you what you are and aren't allowed to wear?

Great thread Daniela.  I completely agree.

May 07 08 11:16 pm Link

Photographer

Gorvinci

Posts: 250

San Francisco, California, US

I had to say that to my parent regarding their judgement of how I raised my kids.  They were so closed minded. It's like they thought their way was the only way known to mankind and yet, I am the only child that has had a successful family.  None of my brothers or sisters have ever become anything since they moved out.  So, I questioned my parents ability to raise children successfully.  One out of 10 isn't bad, right?  Yeah right.  So, I don't take their advice anymore.

May 08 08 02:12 am Link

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Dances with Wolves

Posts: 25108

SHAWNEE ON DELAWARE, Pennsylvania, US

Kittonz wrote:
Don't really have a choice. *sigh*

Yes you do.

May 08 08 06:50 am Link

Makeup Artist

TorontoMakeupArtist

Posts: 1278

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Kittonz wrote:
Not every girl has a chance to be a good model, you know? And I feel that I have a good shot, and I'd at least like to try.

It's not easy to just say 'you disappoint me', especially to someone you're very emotionally attached to. I almost broke up with him a month or so ago over this and it killed me. It's ridiculous because it's the only argument we ever have.

It feels really hopeless, but I care for him so much I have to compromise. Don't really have a choice. *sigh*

Uh...what?

iYou do have a choice and you're making the wrong one. Abuse starts with control. Do you tell him how to dress? Is that a cute little thing you two share? No, it's not easy but sometimes things worth doing are difficult.

May 08 08 08:56 am Link

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KRSfoto

Posts: 84

Nashville, Tennessee, US

Kittonz wrote:
It really breaks my heart because I don't feel like I can be my own person. And no matter how much he says he's getting used to it, it just doesn't seem like enough.

Not to turn this into a Dr. Phil episode but how are you happy in this relationship? Sounds to me as if he is taking away the things that make you who you are one by one. If a man truly loves you he will love you for who you are, not who he wants you to be.

As mentioned above, abuse typically starts with control. Abuse is not just physical either. Do not be a statistic.

May 10 08 09:50 am Link

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Carmen Mia

Posts: 408

New York, New York, US

Kittonz wrote:
*sigh* Hello , I'm one of the 'weak' girls.

My fiance is very insecure and can't handle me a lot of the time. Used to be very bad when I first met him. He kept suggesting I wear mens clothing so that I had no form. I can pretty much only wear t-shirts. No hint of cleavage. I can never wear a bikini. I can't wear shorts too often because he doesn't feel comfortable with me showing any skin whatsoever. And he has a problem with heels.

It really breaks my heart because I don't feel like I can be my own person. And no matter how much he says he's getting used to it, it just doesn't seem like enough.

The fact that I even want to model kills him. He thinks it's just a way for girls to show off and get attention. I just can't convince him otherwise.

Not every girl has a chance to be a good model, you know? And I feel that I have a good shot, and I'd at least like to try.

It's not easy to just say 'you disappoint me', especially to someone you're very emotionally attached to. I almost broke up with him a month or so ago over this and it killed me. It's ridiculous because it's the only argument we ever have.

It feels really hopeless, but I care for him so much I have to compromis

. Don't really have a choice. *sigh*

ps- it's not just about modeling. If you stop modeling, it'll be something else.

Think about it.

May 10 08 09:55 am Link

Photographer

Randis

Posts: 153

Vienna, Wien, Austria

While i have to say i love nudes and i shoot nudes myself i can not agree with you.

I understand your point but doing something outside the norm part of this way is to bear the concequences, thats is normal.
What you do is pushing it on others, simple as that.
It is pretty normal that part of the society is treating you this way, you have to leave with that.
Now here on MM you are with other models and photographers, we of course know what artistic nudes or erotic shots are but girl, outside half the normal people will after looking at some nude pics say aww that girl makes porn and your parents and family have to deal with it.

Now of course its not super fair as basically you dont do something bad at least not from your point of view but it technically works like taking drugs, you take em but your family is the one who is suffering.

Dont put your fault on others, instead grow a thick skin and live with it. Its your boobs on the pics after all so understand that even if you are cool with it other people might not be cool if others look at their GFs or doughters boobs or their BFs and Sons penises.

cheers


Daniela Victoria  wrote:
I'm just tired of these threads.

You don't approve of my modeling? I don't approve of you.
It's YOU disappointing ME.

Try that next time someone gives you crap. That doesn't work? Walk away.

/rant.

May 10 08 01:38 pm Link

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Randis

Posts: 153

Vienna, Wien, Austria

what i forgot to say is that going a certain way in your life you need to understand that respect comes with hard work and not naturally.
When i told my parents i not gonna study madicine but instead will be a Game Designer and CG artists they were shocked and most of my friends looked down on me and thought i was a dreamer but with hard work comes success and with soccess somes respect.

You need to understand the others and show then that you can do it as you are the one who is outside the norm and not they. you might see things different once you have your own kids.

May 10 08 01:50 pm Link

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Brooks Ayola

Posts: 9754

Chatsworth, California, US

Kittonz wrote:
*sigh* Hello , I'm one of the 'weak' girls...

...It feels really hopeless, but I care for him so much I have to compromise. Don't really have a choice. *sigh*

That gun in your back must get uncomfortable sometimes.

May 10 08 03:02 pm Link

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Brooks Ayola

Posts: 9754

Chatsworth, California, US

Ashley Readings wrote:
...Abuse starts with control. Do you tell him how to dress? Is that a cute little thing you two share? No, it's not easy but sometimes things worth doing are difficult.

Ha! I wonder what Dr. Drew would say about her case. :-)

May 10 08 03:04 pm Link

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FutureExGirlfriend111

Posts: 707

Ellsworth, Illinois, US

What I think is really funny is that really religious people think that modeling nude or watching porn or anything like that is a sin...but then why is it that God first intended everyone to be nude together such as Adam and Eve...they were nude but then Eve ate the evil apple and such and then it was like a sin to be nude or a punishment or what ever...I'm not religious but I just think it's really funny because we were all intended to be nude together in the begining so who really cares...?

May 10 08 03:09 pm Link

Photographer

Brian Morris Photography

Posts: 20901

Los Angeles, California, US

Even wisdom gets lost in translation. Playing the blame game revolves!


Be humble and blessed and avoid dramma

May 10 08 03:12 pm Link

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FMfoto

Posts: 1577

Los Angeles, California, US

I come to MM because people here are the ones who understand me and my creative expression... 
my office doesn't care, and my family doesn't even have an idea what I do- when I say I'm shooting today, it's always like "are you getting paid?!?"  And to me it's not always about the money- I get paid on plenty of shoots... just not anything I would care to post.

May 10 08 03:13 pm Link

Photographer

TONY S TURNER

Posts: 586

Dallas, Texas, US

FARLEY MAGADIA wrote:
I come to MM because people here are the ones who understand me and my creative expression... 
my office doesn't care, and my family doesn't even have an idea what I do- when I say I'm shooting today, it's always like "are you getting paid?!?"  And to me it's not always about the money- I get paid on plenty of shoots... just not anything I would care to post.

I hear that!!
Can you tell Chandella that for me Please!! LOL!!!

May 10 08 03:16 pm Link

Photographer

FMfoto

Posts: 1577

Los Angeles, California, US

TONY S TURNER  wrote:
I hear that!!
Can you tell Chandella that for me Please!! LOL!!!

Duuude, didn't know you had it like that!  If anyone, I thought she would understand.  (being married to a llama)

May 10 08 03:26 pm Link

Model

Evelyn Zi

Posts: 25

Stockton, California, US

Well said OP.  Not too long ago I took a hiatus from modeling because my boyfriend who was my escort for all my shoots suddenly decided my implied nude shoots were "making him uncomfortable".  Funny thing is, he was the one who encouraged me to just go ahead and shoot implied.  I remember asking him if it bothered him and he would say "not at all, I think it's hot". Anywho, after about 3 implied shoots, he went to him best friend and told him I was taking "nude" photos and his friend's response was "Drop that hoe"....wow talk about major backstabbing from the one person I trusted most and almost married.  His awesome best friend then went to my boyfriends family and told them I was modeling and his family decided that I am a person with no self-respect.  My bf's sister even asked my bf to see my MM and when she saw it she said it was so disgusting she didn't ever want to eat.  I'm sure many other things were said but it is absolutely pathetic how closed minded people can be. Just remember that for every person that hates you there are many more who do really care for you.

May 10 08 03:37 pm Link

Wardrobe Stylist

Dave the design student

Posts: 45198

Detroit, Michigan, US

Rachel Jay wrote:
:stands up and applauds:

Damn it, scanned down one and saw my reply.

This must be a true standing ovation moment.

May 10 08 03:40 pm Link

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Dave the design student

Posts: 45198

Detroit, Michigan, US

Trevor Snyder wrote:

Sadly, you will always be in the minority thinking this way.

Sometimes its the best place to be.

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May 10 08 03:43 pm Link

Photographer

Arno-S

Posts: 75

Daniela Victoria  wrote:

That shouldn't be the case.

I wanna start a movement.

Fuck close minded assholes who think their opinions are the only ones that matter.

Is that too long of a title?

Im in.

May 10 08 03:46 pm Link

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CarlingtonKid Studios

Posts: 64

Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

You know, it's a lonely world when you stop caring about what other people think. But that's the life of an artist isn't it?

It's completely understandable for a partner to become upset with nudes (especially ones that show up Online) as it exploits the exclusivity of a sexual relationship and makes it look like you can be "bought" to be thrown into a potentially sexual experience - and that you like it - and that you don't care who the "experience" is with as long as you get the attention for it - which is a fantastic way to make your partner feel insignificant (like their attention and praise from you isn't enough).

LoL, wow, that was ME a year ago! I'd LOVE to include something to the original post. What's good for the Goose is good for the Gander smile My partner jumped into nudes this time last year and it messed me up sooooo good! Why should I "be" with her when I can just drop a few hundred bucks for a few hours and get what I really want? (with pics to look back and remember the experience too!). What a difference growing some balls, buying an EOS 5D and hiring a few models myself makes! For all the guys that are "hurt" or who feel "betrayed" by your sweety looking like she's getting nasty for some stranger's camera. . . go buy your own and join the game! smile It's fun, it's a HUGE ego boost to see young models do whatever you tell them for money, and when you finally wake-up from the AMAZING adrenaline rush you get from posting a stranger naked online you'll see for yourself that. . . .

IT'S JUST A NAKED BODY and you've got nothing at the end of a shoot more than any other joe-blow who jumps online and downloads a bunch of FREE nude pics. . . well except the rights to the pics to make some incredible money! smile And that's what it comes down to in the end. Those not involved in the industry don't realize what goes on between shutter-clicks and poses. BORING smile Or how plain and un-sexy the attitude actually is when you're not really having a sexual experience with the person right in front of you sad The cash keeps flowing, you keep shooting, and eventually you just don't care about what it is you're doing - or who it's with for that matter - just that it pays your fat mortgage and 5 star vacations smile

Better yet, question the people who "hate" nude pics and ask them how they enjoyed their last trip to the stripclub? Ok, for those who were NEVER involved in anything sexual like that, I can see that hurting. Those people want sex and everything about it to be worth something to them (understandably as there's very little in this world actually worth something more than money) and for them. . . sorry, but you should keep going to church to find that perfect life partner. The rest of us have realized that in the end, people just aren't worth anything. That's why we happily send our citizens to get killed in other countries for war while we hire each other to get naked and shoot nudes smile Isn't THAT something to die for huh? smile

Rock on girl! We need more GIRLS convincing models to strip for our cameras! We'll just look like a bunch of creeps without you!

May 10 08 04:08 pm Link

Photographer

Randis

Posts: 153

Vienna, Wien, Austria

Evelyn Zi wrote:
Well said OP.  Not too long ago I took a hiatus from modeling because my boyfriend who was my escort for all my shoots suddenly decided my implied nude shoots were "making him uncomfortable".  Funny thing is, he was the one who encouraged me to just go ahead and shoot implied.  I remember asking him if it bothered him and he would say "not at all, I think it's hot". Anywho, after about 3 implied shoots, he went to him best friend and told him I was taking "nude" photos and his friend's response was "Drop that hoe"....wow talk about major backstabbing from the one person I trusted most and almost married.  His awesome best friend then went to my boyfriends family and told them I was modeling and his family decided that I am a person with no self-respect.  My bf's sister even asked my bf to see my MM and when she saw it she said it was so disgusting she didn't ever want to eat.  I'm sure many other things were said but it is absolutely pathetic how closed minded people can be. Just remember that for every person that hates you there are many more who do really care for you.

sucks the way it happened to you, not a nice thing for sure.
I like nude shots, i like erotic and i also shoot nudes.
To be honest i would not want the woman i would merry to have pics online like some of yours in your port because i feel they imply and show something that should remain private. A very artistic and tasteful shot can show a lot if not all without crossing the private intimacy. I view images out of context and expect them to speak for them self, if a shot looks like one of a naughty myspace girl who likes to exhibit her body to everyone it will simply give me the impression that this girl is easy going.
To me being open minded means not letting every one know about everything.
Means not i would hate a person for that, can not stamp every one with a negative critic as a hater.

I had a GF who was a nude model, it was ok for me. She was selective about poses and Photographers and i never escorted her to shootings, my parents didnt mind it.
but looking at her full body nudes and erotic shots i would never feel like she is an easy girl, or someone naughty.
anyways, whatever you do there will be thousand with open arms, everything with nudity is welcome as there is a huge market for it and you will get the attention amd feedback you always deserve for your work.

May 10 08 04:29 pm Link