Forums > Model Colloquy > Safety at Home Studios?

Photographer

Brad Bravard

Posts: 38

Lakeland, Florida, US

I'm a photographer thinking of investing in some studio equipment (lighting, backdrops, etc.) to improve my portrait work.  My plan would be to set up a dedicated home studio, do some TF work and gradually move into charging for some portrait work.

My question to models: Is safety/security an issue for you when photographers have studios in their homes?  Are you reluctant to work with photographers who work out of their homes?  I'm in a nice-looking neighborhood, everything is clean and well-maintained, etc.  Just curious about opinions on this matter.

Thank you.

Mar 11 12 05:48 am Link

Photographer

Aaron Lewis Photography

Posts: 5217

Catskill, New York, US

Good question. I'm about in the same place but I already have the gear. Hopefully in the fall I'll have a building but until then I'm curious to see the responses here.

Mar 11 12 05:53 am Link

Photographer

Martin Philippo

Posts: 968

Noordwijkerhout, Zuid-Holland, Netherlands

I have no problems booking models partly BECAUSE I do my photography at home.

Mar 11 12 06:01 am Link

Model

Rachel_Elizabeth_22

Posts: 388

Birmingham, England, United Kingdom

I've worked with togs in their home studios before but it's with people I've already worked with. I had a few offers for togs who seem more like GWC's just trying to get me to their house lol.

Mar 11 12 06:02 am Link

Model

Rachel_Elizabeth_22

Posts: 388

Birmingham, England, United Kingdom

Martin Philippo wrote:
I have no problems booking models partly BECAUSE I do my photography at home.

This also, supose it works both ways

Mar 11 12 06:02 am Link

Photographer

Rp-photo

Posts: 42711

Houston, Texas, US

Brad Bravard wrote:
My question to models: Is safety/security an issue for you when photographers have studios in their homes?  Are you reluctant to work with photographers who work out of their homes?

If anything, it's the photographer who faces the greater risk, but not too many models will see it that way.

Mar 11 12 06:08 am Link

Photographer

Martin Philippo

Posts: 968

Noordwijkerhout, Zuid-Holland, Netherlands

rp_photo wrote:
If anything, it's the photographer who faces the greater risk, but not too many models will see it that way.

the risk of what?

Mar 11 12 06:22 am Link

Artist/Painter

MainePaintah

Posts: 1892

Saco, Maine, US

My models LOVE my living-working studio. It is in a gorgeous converted shoe factory. Very unique.

They also like that my girlfriend is always somewhere at the other end of the loft/studio, so they feel safe.

I don't know how years ago, I had models come over and pose in some of the  dumpiest, half deserted buildings, I used to rent studios in.

Mar 11 12 06:30 am Link

Photographer

KAOS Studios

Posts: 174

Pensacola, Florida, US

I shoot out of my home. No real issues but yes the photographer is at more risk of a robbery or burglary.

Mar 11 12 06:41 am Link

Photographer

Abbitt Photography

Posts: 13564

Washington, Utah, US

I have a home studio as a part-timer.  I don't think I worry much more about safety, items being stolen, etc.   I did have one model who "vanished" the day before the shoot, later contact me, not realizing I was the same photographer she bailed on, when I told  here she commented "good luck getting models to come to your home".  So, obviously it can be an issue for some.  It's hard to know whether or not that's been a factor in the other model cancelations I've had or not.

Overall, my feeling is that I don't think I loose many shoots due to having a home studio, and for me as a part-timer, renting or owning an auxiliary studio probably would not be worth my while financially.

Mar 11 12 06:56 am Link

Photographer

Digital Hands

Posts: 928

Milton, Ontario, Canada

Most of my pictures in my port are from home studio.  I'm sure the models may feel awkward at first but I welcome them and they will look around and they know they are not in danger.
They felt like home.  I agreed the comments above, I rather use home studio for income tax purpose. I feel that it is not worth renting or own a studio if you are a hobby or part-time photographer.

Mar 11 12 07:11 am Link

Photographer

AJ_In_Atlanta

Posts: 13053

Atlanta, Georgia, US

I would be more worried about theft myself, too many of the bad escort stories involve stealing from a home.  I have used my garage studio many times (I have a studio as well) for TFP shoot with models I had never worked with before.  If they flake I am already sitting at home anyhow.

As for charging for portrait work, Jane or Joe customer is not likely to hire you out of a home studio and you could have some trouble running a business from it.  I really don't want my home involved in any legal action.

Mar 11 12 07:24 am Link

Photographer

Weathers Photography

Posts: 29

Oxford, Alabama, US

The photographers indeed face a great risk. Think about it. When you bring a stranger into your home studio, you are telling them you own expensive camera gear, lighting etc. Plus you are letting a person or persons largely unknown to you into your home. Will they rob or kill you on the spot, or will they "case" your home to check for alarms, types of locks, location of valuables, times when the home is unattended etc. I've worked out of my home for 21 years and have only had a few things disappear, but I have also physically thrown people out of my home . I used to work for a police department, so I may look at things a little more critically than someone else, but remember there are bad people out there and that we put locks on our doors for a reason.
Mike

Mar 11 12 07:27 am Link

Photographer

Jay Farrell

Posts: 13408

Nashville, Tennessee, US

Martin Philippo wrote:

the risk of what?

Stolen stuff, especially a risk when a model brings the E word.

Mar 11 12 07:46 am Link

Photographer

Red Sky Photography

Posts: 3898

Germantown, Maryland, US

95% of my shoots are at my home. I've never had a model question working with me there, and never a problem with anything missing from a model or an escort.

Check references.

Mar 11 12 07:50 am Link

Photographer

Har Marshal

Posts: 271

Raleigh, North Carolina, US

One of the reasons I banned non-working observers from shoots was having equipment damaged by escorts knocking things over.  Since most models and their clumsy, wandering, inobservant BFs are young and lower income, none of them have ever been willing or able to pay for the damage.  While I am insured, with the deductible a smashed flash and the like is pretty much out of pocket anyway.  So far nothing has been stolen but finding out after the fact that one model's escort was just out of prison for manslaughter and another's who she claimed was her brother was actually some random guy she met the night before, combined with equipment damage, resulted in my no escort policy.  For the record though, the killer was very polite while the random guy got booted from the set for weirding out the other model and her MUA.

Also, at my home studio the models change upstairs and often shoot downstairs.  After one of them fell on top of me due to wearing high heels on carpeted stairs, I now ask them to come down barefooted and I often walk down ahead of them in case anyone else needs an "airbag".

No one to my knowledge has ever refused to work with me because of the home studio set up, and everyone who has worked here has loved it.

Mar 11 12 07:53 am Link

Photographer

Abbitt Photography

Posts: 13564

Washington, Utah, US

The biggest safety concern I have is the risk of liability should a model ever somehow injure herself or falsely accuse me of harassment, etc.  That's more a matter of risk avoidance, insurance and other risk management options than it is a matter of home studio, vs. remote studio location.

Mar 11 12 07:55 am Link

Photographer

L Cowles Photography

Posts: 833

Sun City West, Arizona, US

I've not found it an issue.  In my case my wife and I both shoot which gives most models a little bit of safe feeling because a woman is also involved.

I have had trouble a few times with things disappearing, especially  when escorts are involved.

Mar 11 12 07:55 am Link

Photographer

NameChanged

Posts: 371

Kansas City, Missouri, US

Different strokes for different folks.  Opinions are just that ... (c;

Mar 11 12 08:00 am Link

Photographer

Jeffrey M Fletcher

Posts: 4861

Asheville, North Carolina, US

The models that want a big studio don't want me anyway - it all works out.

Mar 11 12 08:01 am Link

Photographer

Martin Philippo

Posts: 968

Noordwijkerhout, Zuid-Holland, Netherlands

I am amazed

Mar 11 12 08:08 am Link

Photographer

Good Egg Productions

Posts: 16713

Orlando, Florida, US

It's more important that you have a portfolio showing what you can accomplish in your studio space than where that studio space is located.

The only difference between the studio located in my home and a studio not in my home is the address. Provide for a private changing area, private (and clean) bathroom, and make it LOOK like a studio, and you should be fine.

Hang a wrinkled sheet on the wall next to the bed, allow the house to reek of cat urine, and allow your roommate to continue to play XBox on the couch during your shoot, and models might steer clear of your setup.

Mar 11 12 08:14 am Link

Photographer

B R U N E S C I

Posts: 25319

Bath, England, United Kingdom

Any model who expresses 'concern' at shooting in a home studio immediately revokes her access to hundreds of talented photographers.

I shoot in London studios (sometimes) and I shoot from my home sometimes - for tests, it's generally cheaper and more convenient for me to shoot from home. I've lost count of the overall number of agency models I've shot at my home/studio, but it's been two this week alone.

Real models (and their agencies/bookers) don't normally care where you shoot - it's the results that count. The so-called 'models' who worry about such things are normally internet newbies and/or Myspace divas with over controlling boyfriend/managers and are usually not worth shooting with anyway.



Just my $0.02

Ciao
Stefano

www.stefanobrunesci.com

Mar 11 12 08:17 am Link

Photographer

Harold Rose

Posts: 2925

Calhoun, Georgia, US

Brad Bravard wrote:
I'm a photographer thinking of investing in some studio equipment (lighting, backdrops, etc.) to improve my portrait work.  My plan would be to set up a dedicated home studio, do some TF work and gradually move into charging for some portrait work.

My question to models: Is safety/security an issue for you when photographers have studios in their homes?  Are you reluctant to work with photographers who work out of their homes?  I'm in a nice-looking neighborhood, everything is clean and well-maintained, etc.  Just curious about opinions on this matter.

Thank you.

I have seen this work out very well,   Be ssure the model knows the situation.     I would suggest that you do not try to jam the modell into a bathroom..    A bedroom with mirror and plenty of space to lay out clothing..  Most bedrooms  have mirrors..  #1 requirement..

Model finishes,,  back to home use..    About the same as going into a home for a shoot.  but a lot less bother..

Mar 11 12 08:25 am Link

Model

Miss AY

Posts: 8166

Bulqizë, Bulqizë, Albania

Brad Bravard wrote:
I'm a photographer thinking of investing in some studio equipment (lighting, backdrops, etc.) to improve my portrait work.  My plan would be to set up a dedicated home studio, do some TF work and gradually move into charging for some portrait work.

My question to models: Is safety/security an issue for you when photographers have studios in their homes?  Are you reluctant to work with photographers who work out of their homes?  I'm in a nice-looking neighborhood, everything is clean and well-maintained, etc.  Just curious about opinions on this matter.

Thank you.

It's not any more of an issue for me than someone who shoots in a "professional" studio. I still do my research and all that jazz, because having the money to rent or own a "real" studio doesn't magically make someone immune from being a creep or an asshole.

Mar 11 12 09:09 am Link

Model

Rachel_Elizabeth_22

Posts: 388

Birmingham, England, United Kingdom

Augustine York wrote:

It's not any more of an issue for me than someone who shoots in a "professional" studio. I still do my research and all that jazz, because having the money to rent or own a "real" studio doesn't magically make someone immune from being a creep or an asshole.

+1

Mar 11 12 09:13 am Link

Photographer

GCobb Photography

Posts: 15898

Southaven, Mississippi, US

Professional or not, I've read more than one thread where things were stolen from a photographer's home by an "escort".

It's up to you to figure out how secure your belongings are.

Mar 11 12 09:15 am Link

Photographer

Cherrystone

Posts: 37171

Columbus, Ohio, US

GCobb Photography wrote:
Professional or not, I've read more than one thread where things were stolen from a photographer's home by an "escort".

It's up to you to figure out how secure your belongings are.

Escorts don't have exclusivity when it comes to theft either. :cough:

Mar 11 12 09:22 am Link

Photographer

Martin Philippo

Posts: 968

Noordwijkerhout, Zuid-Holland, Netherlands

The issue here was about safety and security for the models. I read that as: can they get raped?
Yes, raped!
Have you ever talked to a woman that has been raped? Have you ever heared about the traumas that gives?
And then some of you come up with the argument that a photographer has a greater risk.  What risk? That some of your things get stolen. Bull!!
Some people are just so goddam selfish and ignorant!

Mar 11 12 09:22 am Link

Model

Miss AY

Posts: 8166

Bulqizë, Bulqizë, Albania

Martin Philippo wrote:
The issue here was about safety and security for the models. I read that as: can they get raped?
Yes, raped!
Have you ever talked to a woman that has been raped? Have you ever heared about the traumas that gives?
And then some of you come up with the argument that a photographer has a greater risk.  What risk? That some of your things get stolen. Bull!!
Some people are just so goddam selfish and ignorant!

I think it's probably more likely for a photographer to have something stolen than for a model to be raped on set.

And I think it's more likely for a model to be raped by a stranger while coming out of the grocery store than while on a shoot...  especially in a photographer's home.

Mar 11 12 09:24 am Link

Photographer

Art of the nude

Posts: 12067

Grand Rapids, Michigan, US

Brad Bravard wrote:
I'm a photographer thinking of investing in some studio equipment (lighting, backdrops, etc.) to improve my portrait work.  My plan would be to set up a dedicated home studio, do some TF work and gradually move into charging for some portrait work.

My question to models: Is safety/security an issue for you when photographers have studios in their homes?  Are you reluctant to work with photographers who work out of their homes?  I'm in a nice-looking neighborhood, everything is clean and well-maintained, etc.  Just curious about opinions on this matter.

Thank you.

I would think that, other than a case of a house or studio which is located in an unsafe area, WHO you are working with would be more important than where.  Certainly, if I were to knowingly behave inappropriately toward a model, my own home would be the LAST place I'd want to do it.  Kind of easy to track down that way. 

I can only think of one model who had an issue with shooting at my house.  The irony is, I had *already* rented a studio for our shoot.  She was objecting to something that wasn't going to happen.  Other than that rather strange case, I've shot at my house, my former studio, rented and borrowed studios, hotel rooms, parks, out in the woods, on several college campuses, etc . . . .

Mar 11 12 09:25 am Link

Photographer

Magic Image Photography

Posts: 3606

Temple City, California, US

Home Studios have been around since the old days of Bettie Page.  The only issue is of course safety. Photographers tend to lose more but the fact is that most models worry about being raped or molested at home studios. Let me tell you I would not want that problem at my place.

Mar 11 12 09:29 am Link

Photographer

Greg Kolack

Posts: 18392

Elmhurst, Illinois, US

Martin Philippo wrote:
The issue here was about safety and security for the models. I read that as: can they get raped?
Yes, raped!
Have you ever talked to a woman that has been raped? Have you ever heared about the traumas that gives?
And then some of you come up with the argument that a photographer has a greater risk.  What risk? That some of your things get stolen. Bull!!
Some people are just so goddam selfish and ignorant!

Augustine York wrote:
I think it's probably more likely for a photographer to have something stolen than for a model to be raped on set.

And I think it's more likely for a model to be raped by a stranger while coming out of the grocery store than while on a shoot...  especially in a photographer's home.

Augustine...shh...careful...you are destroying the myth that models are in constant peril...

And you are coming off "so goddamn selfish and ignorant"...

Mar 11 12 09:30 am Link

Photographer

Art of the nude

Posts: 12067

Grand Rapids, Michigan, US

Martin Philippo wrote:
The issue here was about safety and security for the models. I read that as: can they get raped?
Yes, raped!
Have you ever talked to a woman that has been raped? Have you ever heared about the traumas that gives?
And then some of you come up with the argument that a photographer has a greater risk.  What risk? That some of your things get stolen. Bull!!
Some people are just so goddam selfish and ignorant!

Augustine York wrote:
I think it's probably more likely for a photographer to have something stolen than for a model to be raped on set.

And I think it's more likely for a model to be raped by a stranger while coming out of the grocery store than while on a shoot...  especially in a photographer's home.

Wisdom from the northeast, yet again.

Why, exactly, would a rapist be more likely to do so in their own home?  Seems to me that if that were your goal, giving a false name and shooting at the model's apartment or house would be a much better strategy.  Perhaps that, without checking references, would be as risky as going to Walmart or the bar.

Mar 11 12 09:33 am Link

Photographer

Greg Kolack

Posts: 18392

Elmhurst, Illinois, US

Art of the nude wrote:

I would think that, other than a case of a house or studio which is located in an unsafe area, WHO you are working with would be more important than where.  Certainly, if I were to knowingly behave inappropriately toward a model, my own home would be the LAST place I'd want to do it.  Kind of easy to track down that way. 

I can only think of one model who had an issue with shooting at my house.  The irony is, I had *already* rented a studio for our shoot.  She was objecting to something that wasn't going to happen.  Other than that rather strange case, I've shot at my house, my former studio, rented and borrowed studios, hotel rooms, parks, out in the woods, on several college campuses, etc . . . .

That's what I never get - why some people think its less safe in someone's house. I actually think its safer.

I don't think I have had a model refuse to shoot at my house. In fact, I've had quite a few stay with me, some for several days.

The majority of my "studio" shots in my prtfolio were either shot in my home or in an empty condo that friend of mine let me use in a building he owned.

Mar 11 12 09:34 am Link

Model

Miss AY

Posts: 8166

Bulqizë, Bulqizë, Albania

Greg Kolack wrote:

Martin Philippo wrote:
The issue here was about safety and security for the models. I read that as: can they get raped?
Yes, raped!
Have you ever talked to a woman that has been raped? Have you ever heared about the traumas that gives?
And then some of you come up with the argument that a photographer has a greater risk.  What risk? That some of your things get stolen. Bull!!
Some people are just so goddam selfish and ignorant!

Augustine...shh...careful...you are destroying the myth that models are in constant peril...

And you are coming off "so goddamn selfish and ignorant"...

hahaha whoops wink

In general my thoughts are that yes - models may be subjected to somewhat higher instances of creepers just by the very nature of this work and the fact that any idiot with a camera can join MM and send us weird messages.
But that's where screening comes in - someone is weird in a message, don't have a shoot with them.

And at the end of the day, if you're on a shoot and the photographer says something rude, or lewd: it's just words. There's a huge difference between being creeped on and being raped.

Mar 11 12 09:34 am Link

Photographer

Martin Philippo

Posts: 968

Noordwijkerhout, Zuid-Holland, Netherlands

I was talking to a model that I worked with the other day. She was raped by some creepo photographer. It took her four years to get over it a bit and then she heared her younger sister got raped too which brought back the whole thing again. The girl was in a state again and needed (again) professional help.

That pisses me off.

And it pisses me off too that some photographers still claim that it is more important that their so called precious things don't get stolen.

I don't say it doesn't happen that things get stolen from time to time, although it never happenend with me or any other photograper that I know. I do say that you should think a bit more and a bit longer before you say that your well insured and replacable belongings are more important than a girl being raped.

Mar 11 12 09:42 am Link

Model

Miss AY

Posts: 8166

Bulqizë, Bulqizë, Albania

Martin Philippo wrote:
-snip -
I do say that you should think a bit more and a bit longer before you say that your well insured and replacable belongings are more important than a girl being raped.

I don't think anyone in this thread is trying to say that rape is less of a crime than thievery. What we (or at least I) am trying to say, is that statistically it's less likely for a model be raped than it is for a photographer to be burgled due to a variety of factors.

Mar 11 12 09:45 am Link

Photographer

Abbitt Photography

Posts: 13564

Washington, Utah, US

Greg Kolack wrote:
I don't think I have had a model refuse to shoot at my house. In fact, I've had quite a few stay with me, some for several days.

I agree, and that's something that comes to mind almost every time model safety comes up.   

Someone who wishes to do someone serious harm, usually wants to get away with it.   

If I wanted to harm a model, I wouldn't let her know who I am and invite her to my home, knowing full well, people know that's where she is.  I'd keep my identity secret, agree to meet in public and go to a "shoot location" not attached to me.   The advice about not going to a photographer's home has never made any sense to me.  When looking at the very few, but highly publicized cases of someone pretending to be a photographer to abduct a model, it's never been his home or studio.

Mar 11 12 09:47 am Link

Photographer

ontherocks

Posts: 23575

Salem, Oregon, US

lots of people shoot out of their garages or kitchens or spare rooms. for our part it was just too much work to clean up before each shoot and the cats always got in the way (although models didn't seem to mind).

we had paying customers while we were in our garage. the wife had boudoir shots done many years ago and that was in someone's garage.

we don't seem to be getting as many escorts now that we have a studio. and maybe we're a little more legit in the eyes of the customer.

Mar 11 12 09:48 am Link