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Ronin_LLC
Posts: 2012
Louisville, Kentucky, US
This stems from some conversions I have had with some fellow models over few drinks and is completely hypothetical.
Say you are a model and your Agent while legit has some iffy side jobs/business practices or whatever. Not only do you know about it but have solid irrefutable proof, that if made public could ruin them.
Would you use the holding of that information to coerce them into advancing your career/getting you better higher paying jobs?
Thought it would be fun to see how many people would take advantage of the situation. I am NOT saying you should do this.
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DANACOLE
Posts: 10183
Oslo, Oslo, Norway
yeah...because blackmailing someone is always the smart thing to do...
/end sarcasm
cant believe this question is even being asked !
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Ronin_LLC
Posts: 2012
Louisville, Kentucky, US
This is a social reaction question done purely in harmless curiosity to gauge the average users ideology.
Blackmail, honestly in the Modeling industry is kind tame when you place it beside all the drugs and prostitution.
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K I C K H A M
Posts: 14689
Los Angeles, California, US
Ronin_LLC wrote:
This is a social reaction question done purely in harmless curiosity to gauge the average users ideology.
Blackmail, honestly in the Modeling industry is kind tame when you place it beside all the drugs and prostitution. A lot of that is quite exaggerated (though it does exist).
How much actual industry experience do you have?
As per your question, no. I wouldn't use it to help myself. I would take my talent elsewhere, as well, because those are not the sort of people I want to be in a mutually beneficial relationship with.
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Photographe
Posts: 2351
Bristol, England, United Kingdom
Your question is so extreme that you will "gauge" nothing.
It's also a bit of an unreal scenario, if the agent was involved in "iffy" and dumb enough to provide potential blackmailers with evidence, then they are probably the worst agent in the world and doing no business anyway.
If you're not getting enough work, change agent or change portfolio. People who've threatened blackmail usually end up in a body bag?
There was a scandal a few years back where it was discovered that a famous agency were sending girls to the Mediterranean yacht scene to be "company" for rich arab clients. I don't remember the full story, but it was probably a model that broke this story. I think there is your answer.
If you are thinking about your long-term career, you're not going to ruin it by involving yourself with criminals. You'd either keep quiet or change agent.... or rat on them.
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Deadlynightshade
Posts: 4774
Los Angeles, California, US
What someone does on the side doesn't concern you unless it directly affects your life in a negative way. To exploit their weakness for your own benefit may get you a few steps ahead, but you'll fall just as fast.
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Ronin_LLC
Posts: 2012
Louisville, Kentucky, US
K I C K H A M wrote:
How much actual industry experience do you have? Enough that I been offered drugs by people whom are household names, you would freak out if I told you who. Drug are much more common place in the higher circuits, but still present on the lower ones.
Also I have had Agents(male) and Photographers(male) offer to help with my career in return for "favors".
Rollo David Snook wrote:
It's also a bit of an unreal scenario, Not really, in the original debate the instance used, happens in most small to medium sized agencies. Larger more famous Agencies like Ford and Next are aware that some of the Agencies they recurit from do these things, but do not care as long as they get the pick of the litter.
Rollo David Snook wrote:
if the agent was involved in "iffy" and dumb enough to provide potential blackmailers with evidence, then they are probably the worst agent in the world and doing no business anyway.
If you're not getting enough work, change agent or change portfolio. People who've threatened blackmail usually end up in a body bag? People get sloppy when things become common place, accidents happen, or they run into someone who is more clever and just as devious.
Rollo David Snook wrote:
There was a scandal a few years back where it was discovered that a famous agency were sending girls to the Mediterranean yacht scene to be "company" for rich arab clients. I don't remember the full story, but it was probably a model that broke this story. I think there is your answer. Not all agencies do such extreme things as this, but a majority of the ones out side of major cities like NYC and LA etc, in smaller markets have to do what they can to stay afloat.
How else do you think an agency in in a place like Bentonville, Arkansas can pull down 1.5 million a year with only a hand full of actual models and a few dozen castings a year?
While the entertainment/modeling industry does have a really sleazy side to it, it great to see so far the undisputed census is to do the right thing.
However it does make you wonder how many are being truth full, as no one has yet said to blow the whistle on them...
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K I C K H A M
Posts: 14689
Los Angeles, California, US
Ronin_LLC wrote:
K I C K H A M wrote:
How much actual industry experience do you have? Enough that I been offered drugs by people whom are household names, you would freak out if I told you who. Drug are much more common place in the higher circuits, but still present on the lower ones.
Also I have had Agents(male) and Photographers(male) offer to help with my career in return for "favors".
Rollo David Snook wrote:
It's also a bit of an unreal scenario, Not really, in the original debate the instance used, happens in most small to medium sized agencies. Larger more famous Agencies like Ford and Next are aware that some of the Agencies they recurit from do these things, but do not care as long as they get the pick of the litter.
Rollo David Snook wrote:
if the agent was involved in "iffy" and dumb enough to provide potential blackmailers with evidence, then they are probably the worst agent in the world and doing no business anyway.
If you're not getting enough work, change agent or change portfolio. People who've threatened blackmail usually end up in a body bag? People get sloppy when things become common place, accidents happen, or they run into someone who is more clever and just as devious.
Not all agencies do such extreme things as this, but a majority of the ones out side of major cities like NYC and LA etc, in smaller markets have to do what they can to stay afloat.
How else do you think an agency in in a place like Bentonville, Arkansas can pull down 1.5 million a year with only a hand full of actual models and a few dozen castings a year?
While the entertainment/modeling industry does have a really sleazy side to it, it great to see so far the undisputed census is to do the right thing.
However it does make you wonder how many are being truth full, as no one has yet said to blow the whistle on them... Happens in "most" small to medium sized agencies? Really? I'm sorry, but as an agency-signed model in LA I can tell you that's an exaggeration.
And, no, I wouldn't be surprised by big names doing drugs. Are you being serious? What are we, 7?
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Photographe
Posts: 2351
Bristol, England, United Kingdom
*sighs* that's the whole point, no-one is going to give truthful answers here.
Performers have been famous for drugs since the early Jazz days.
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K I C K H A M
Posts: 14689
Los Angeles, California, US
Wait, are we just talking about drugs and such?
When I think of side-business stuff, unethical, blah blah, I was think like running an escort business or prostitution ring...
That being said, if I knew of actual ILLEGAL activity, I sure as Hell wouldn't hold it over their heads.... I would either extract myself from the situation, call the police, or both.
And, yeah, if anyone was willing to do those unethical things, I doubt you would find them posting here telling you about it.
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dvwrght
Posts: 1300
Phoenix, Arizona, US
5'10 male model in Kentucky is shocked celebrities do drugs!
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Ronin_LLC
Posts: 2012
Louisville, Kentucky, US
K I C K H A M wrote:
Happens in "most" small to medium sized agencies? Really? I'm sorry, but as an agency-signed model in LA I can tell you that's an exaggeration.
And, no, I wouldn't be surprised by big names doing drugs. Are you being serious? What are we, 7? Before I got into modeling I was dating a girl who was a journalist, I used to work in a job that required investigation skills, and I would help her on her assignments.
One assignment was looking into the reports of people being scammed but modeling agents.
Through out the course of researching her report on the subject we found that in 6 local states there are over 200 licensed agents, 50 of whom are either big named their selves, branch of big name agencies, or work/represented big named models(One represented Miss USA 2010) who while being real agents were also running the same basic scam.
After the story ran, we received emails and letters from just about every state were other reporters, lawyers and investigators had found the same things.
It doesn't hurt for you to think like a con artist or a serial killer every once in a while for the sake of prevention.
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K I C K H A M
Posts: 14689
Los Angeles, California, US
Ronin_LLC wrote:
Before I got into modeling I was dating a girl who was a journalist, I used to work in a job that required investigation skills, and I would help her on her assignments.
One assignment was looking into the reports of people being scammed but modeling agents.
Through out the course of researching her report on the subject we found that in 6 local states there are over 200 licensed agents, 50 of whom are either big named their selves, branch of big name agencies, or work/represented big named models(One represented Miss USA 2010) who while being real agents were also running the same basic scam.
After the story ran, we received emails and letters from just about every state were other reporters, lawyers and investigators had found the same things.
It doesn't hurt for you to think like a con artist or a serial killer every once in a while for the sake of prevention. Oh, hai!
Guess what? You're talking to a journalist and actual agency-model. And no, representing one decent name doesn't make an agency legit.
If you're saying most ghetto-scam-call-themselves-agencies have this crap going on, then sure. But if you're talking about real ones, why don't YOU come out here and live it, in a place where the industry actually exists, and then we'll talk.
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Ronin_LLC
Posts: 2012
Louisville, Kentucky, US
K I C K H A M wrote:
Wait, are we just talking about drugs and such?
When I think of side-business stuff, unethical, blah blah, I was think like running an escort business or prostitution ring... Uh no in the original debate, which took place at B-Duds, the example of unethical side business was an authentic agency that was also running a modeling school scam.
In short a real agency that keeps a few models on hand and does a enough real work to look legit while on the other hand fleecing people for thousands by signing them contracts making them pay for modeling classes, then just not getting them any jobs.
This is actually a very common scam run by a LOT of agencies, and by a lot I mean thousands of confined cases.
Escort/prostitution also fairly common, as are drugs.
I an not "shocked" by this facts, its kind of obvious. I merely mentioned Drugs and Prostitution as main staples of ill advised activities.
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Ronin_LLC
Posts: 2012
Louisville, Kentucky, US
K I C K H A M wrote:
If you're saying most ghetto-scam-call-themselves-agencies have this crap going on, then sure. But if you're talking about real ones, why don't YOU come out here and live it, in a place where the industry actually exists, and then we'll talk. Yes lots of "real" agencies do this as well. However the larger ones in places like NYC and LA, don't, BUT they are aware that some of the other agencies they work with or recruit from, DO in gauge in these practices and they don't really care.
Some of their branches in other states in gauge in it, and have been busted for it.
COSMO, did a few years ago and that branch no longer exists.
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K I C K H A M
Posts: 14689
Los Angeles, California, US
Ronin_LLC wrote:
Uh no in the original debate, which took place at B-Duds, the example of unethical side business was an authentic agency that was also running a modeling school scam.
In short a real agency that keeps a few models on hand and does a enough real work to look legit while on the other hand fleecing people for thousands by signing them contracts making them pay for modeling classes, then just not getting them any jobs.
This is actually a very common scam run by a LOT of agencies, and by a lot I mean thousands of confined cases.
Escort/prostitution also fairly common, as are drugs.
I an not "shocked" by this facts, its kind of obvious. I merely mentioned Drugs and Prostitution as main staples of ill advised activities. When I talked about being "shocked," I was referring to you saying I would "freak out" about household names who have offered you drugs.
If I go out (or any decent-looking girl, really) in LA, do you know how many times per night we are offered coke, or X, or anything else easily exchangeable? Just saying that it wouldn't freak me out. Especially not by a household name.
As far as the places running modeling school scams, yeah, that's what many do to survive in small markets, but I wouldn't by any means say that most legitimate agencies do this.
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Ivanafox
Posts: 979
Healesville, Victoria, Australia
If they are doing something illegal or causing harm to others I wouldn't be mixing myself up in their mess, and most likely pass that information on to the authorities who can do something about it.
If it is shady operations that were still legal, then I figure if they are doing the wrong thing ethically to others then that priveledge would probably be extending to myself at some stage, again I don't want to be involved in their crap and by staying I'd be condoning that behavior, so I'd be moving on.
Although I'm not perfect I try to do the right thing by others. I have been there, done that with wheeling and dealing but at the end of the day no amount of money or success can make up for it if you don't like yourself. I wish I had friends like me.
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Ronin_LLC
Posts: 2012
Louisville, Kentucky, US
K I C K H A M wrote:
When I talked about being "shocked," I was referring to you saying I would "freak out" about household names who have offered you drugs.
If I go out (or any decent-looking girl, really) in LA, do you know how many times per night we are offered coke, or X, or anything else easily exchangeable? Just saying that it wouldn't freak me out. Especially not by a household name.
As far as the places running modeling school scams, yeah, that's what many do to survive in small markets, but I wouldn't by any means say that most legitimate agencies do this. Well an ad executive for a print campaign of a major company whom you would never expect and have known of your whole life as they own/furnish a lot of everyday staples, offering drugs to a model during their shoot is a WTF moment in my book. That is coming from someone who used to work in the projects of Philly.
You can look up a lot of articles on the subject of big name agencies who do run scams. Once such company was COSMO, THE COSMO. They had a branch that was running the above mentioned scam, they got caught and were forced to shut down that branch.
So yeah "legitimate" agencies do it too.
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Ronin_LLC
Posts: 2012
Louisville, Kentucky, US
Maria Michaela wrote:
no, of course not... [/quote
Uh huh, of course not.
Honestly I want to see some one try to defend it or the illicit activity, because its a unique a fun perspective not saying that you have to be serious about it. During the original debate several of us did it from both sides of the fence.
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Anna Adrielle
Posts: 18763
Antwerp, Antwerp, Belgium
Ronin_LLC wrote:
Honestly I want to see some one try to defend it or the illicit activity, because its a unique a fun perspective not saying that you have to be serious about it. During the original debate several of us did it from both sides of the fence. what exactly do you want to discuss?
first of all, I wouldn't do it cause it's wrong... and I would probably not work with them again
even if I did see nothing wrong with it, it would still be stupid cause that is not how agencies work. You can threaten them to get more work for you all you want: they're the middle party between clients and you. Blackmailing your agency isn't going to get more clients booking you...
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K I C K H A M
Posts: 14689
Los Angeles, California, US
Ronin_LLC wrote:
Well an ad executive for a print campaign of a major company whom you would never expect and have known of your whole life as they own/furnish a lot of everyday staples, offering drugs to a model during their shoot is a WTF moment in my book. That is coming from someone who used to work in the projects of Philly.
You can look up a lot of articles on the subject of big name agencies who do run scams. Once such company was COSMO, THE COSMO. They had a branch that was running the above mentioned scam, they got caught and were forced to shut down that branch.
So yeah "legitimate" agencies do it too. I'm really wondering what our extensive knowledge is that brings you to these overwhelming conclusions. Experience-wise, you don't have any listed in your bio, and your portfolio has no evidence either.
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K I C K H A M
Posts: 14689
Los Angeles, California, US
1. I wouldn't want any part in the illegal activity because it's wrong.
2. I wouldn't want any part in the illegal activity because I wouldn't want to deal with the repercussions.
3. If I wanted any part in criminal activity, I wouldn't be a big enough moron to go airing it on a PUBLIC forum.
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Tony Lawrence
Posts: 21526
Chicago, Illinois, US
Ronin_LLC wrote:
Well an ad executive for a print campaign of a major company whom you would never expect and have known of your whole life as they own/furnish a lot of everyday staples, offering drugs to a model during their shoot is a WTF moment in my book. That is coming from someone who used to work in the projects of Philly.
You can look up a lot of articles on the subject of big name agencies who do run scams. Once such company was COSMO, THE COSMO. They had a branch that was running the above mentioned scam, they got caught and were forced to shut down that branch.
So yeah "legitimate" agencies do it too. After reading the thread where you mentioned bringing weapons to a shoot my feeling is you may be a bit full of it. I see no tear sheets in your profile and your images are not commercial or fashion level. I don't think you know any of these so called house hold names and yes sadly some folks in every industry use and give other people drugs. Adults can choose for themselves of they use them. Years past in the days of models like Gia some photographers, agents, designers and models would use drugs and girls like Gia fall prey to them.
Have there been modeling scams? Newsflash, yes. Smaller markets tend to offer little work and these agencies are often little more then modeling schools or port mills. Again that's not some sort of revelation. My best bet is you have never been signed by any "legitimate' agency and your girlfriend was not a reporter.
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P I X I E
Posts: 35440
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
K I C K H A M wrote:
1. I wouldn't want any part in the illegal activity because it's wrong.
2. I wouldn't want any part in the illegal activity because I wouldn't want to deal with the repercussions.
3. If I wanted any part in criminal activity, I wouldn't be a big enough moron to go airing it on a PUBLIC forum. For serious...
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Rachael Bueckert
Posts: 1122
Red Deer, Alberta, Canada
Um... Since I like to believe that I have some moral fabric, if the agent's moonlighting is negatively affected innocent people then I would expose him. End of it. If it's just a weird or questionable hobby that isn't bothering anyone I would let him be.
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Ronin_LLC
Posts: 2012
Louisville, Kentucky, US
Maria Michaela wrote:
Blackmailing your agency isn't going to get more clients booking you... If you ever get the time read through some of biographies of Models like Tyra Banks, Gia Carangi, and Eve Salvail.
While blackmailing may not work apparently sleeping with them does.
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Jessie Shannon
Posts: 2004
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
Ronin_LLC wrote:
K I C K H A M wrote:
How much actual industry experience do you have? Enough that I been offered drugs by people whom are household names, you would freak out if I told you who. Drug are much more common place in the higher circuits, but still present on the lower ones.
Also I have had Agents(male) and Photographers(male) offer to help with my career in return for "favors".
Rollo David Snook wrote:
It's also a bit of an unreal scenario, Not really, in the original debate the instance used, happens in most small to medium sized agencies. Larger more famous Agencies like Ford and Next are aware that some of the Agencies they recurit from do these things, but do not care as long as they get the pick of the litter.
Rollo David Snook wrote:
if the agent was involved in "iffy" and dumb enough to provide potential blackmailers with evidence, then they are probably the worst agent in the world and doing no business anyway.
If you're not getting enough work, change agent or change portfolio. People who've threatened blackmail usually end up in a body bag? People get sloppy when things become common place, accidents happen, or they run into someone who is more clever and just as devious.
Not all agencies do such extreme things as this, but a majority of the ones out side of major cities like NYC and LA etc, in smaller markets have to do what they can to stay afloat.
How else do you think an agency in in a place like Bentonville, Arkansas can pull down 1.5 million a year with only a hand full of actual models and a few dozen castings a year?
While the entertainment/modeling industry does have a really sleazy side to it, it great to see so far the undisputed census is to do the right thing.
However it does make you wonder how many are being truth full, as no one has yet said to blow the whistle on them... Lmfao omg what are you rambling about?
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K I C K H A M
Posts: 14689
Los Angeles, California, US
Ronin_LLC wrote:
If you ever get the time read through some of biographies of Models like Tyra Banks, Gia Carangi, and Eve Salvail.
While blackmailing may not work apparently sleeping with them does. Then maybe you should've asked that.
However, for the conversation at hand, this isn't relevant.
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Jessie Shannon
Posts: 2004
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
Tony Lawrence wrote:
After reading the thread where you mentioned bringing weapons to a shoot my feeling is you may be a bit full of it. I see no tear sheets in your profile and your images are not commercial or fashion level. I don't think you know any of these so called house hold names and yes sadly some folks in every industry use and give other people drugs. Adults can choose for themselves of they use them. Years past in the days of models like Gia some photographers, agents, designers and models would use drugs and girls like Gia fall prey to them.
Have there been modeling scams? Newsflash, yes. Smaller markets tend to offer little work and these agencies are often little more then modeling schools or port mills. Again that's not some sort of revelation. My best bet is you have never been signed by any "legitimate' agency and your girlfriend was not a reporter. Tony, for the second time...I agree with you 
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K I C K H A M
Posts: 14689
Los Angeles, California, US
Tony Lawrence wrote:
After reading the thread where you mentioned bringing weapons to a shoot my feeling is you may be a bit full of it. I see no tear sheets in your profile and your images are not commercial or fashion level. I don't think you know any of these so called house hold names and yes sadly some folks in every industry use and give other people drugs. Adults can choose for themselves of they use them. Years past in the days of models like Gia some photographers, agents, designers and models would use drugs and girls like Gia fall prey to them.
Have there been modeling scams? Newsflash, yes. Smaller markets tend to offer little work and these agencies are often little more then modeling schools or port mills. Again that's not some sort of revelation. My best bet is you have never been signed by any "legitimate' agency and your girlfriend was not a reporter. Logic.
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David L
Posts: 104
Macon, Georgia, US
Nope. I think I would just sever my relationship and find another agent. Just being associated with someone who has some questionable ethics may give the appearance that I might have questionable ethics also. My reputation is too valuable for that.
As my Mama always said, "if you lie down with dogs, you wake up with fleas."
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Anna Adrielle
Posts: 18763
Antwerp, Antwerp, Belgium
Ronin_LLC wrote:
If you ever get the time read through some of biographies of Models like Tyra Banks, Gia Carangi, and Eve Salvail.
While blackmailing may not work apparently sleeping with them does. sorry, I don't have time. I'm too busy booking jobs and modelling...
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Ronin_LLC
Posts: 2012
Louisville, Kentucky, US
Tony Lawrence wrote:
After reading the thread where you mentioned bringing weapons to a shoot my feeling is you may be a bit full of it. Well I am sure its a lot easier for you to molest and rape unarmed unsuspecting llamas, but thankfully some people put personal safety on a higher priority.
I have worked with some great Photographers, whose studios just happen to be in bad parts of town due to no fault of thier own.
Tony Lawrence wrote:
I see no tear sheets in your profile and your images are not commercial or fashion level. Yeah possibly because:
A. I am lazy.
B. Most photographers/clients want to see what llamas look like in the raw so that way they see what they are working with and what they can do with it.
C. I only posted what I happened to have on my computer, I didn't drag out my portfolio and upload everything.
Tony Lawrence wrote:
I don't think you know any of these so called house hold names \
Are you saying you don't know McDonalds? They are a house hold name and I am pretty sure they have a place near you.
(NOTE: NOT SAYING THAT MCDONALD WAS THE ABOVE MENTIONED COMPANY, MERELY AN EXAMPLE OF A HOUSE HOLD NAME EVERYONE KNOWS)
Tony Lawrence wrote:
My best bet is you have never been signed by any "legitimate' agency and your girlfriend was not a reporter. I could tell you who my agent is, you would know instantly that they are legit. You could check with them and see that yes I do have a contract with them and their website probably hosts all of my better pictures.
Yes I have dated a reporter, I have also dated a circuit clerk, several llamas(bad idea) and even one of the Kentucky Horsemen football team's Filly Cheerleaders.(worse idea) Variety is the spice of life, try it out.
This whole thing is that you are upset that I have stepped on your toes and pointed out several obviously poor spots in the industry that in all likely hood you probably in gauge in for how defensive you are.
People who are overly defensive are compensating or covering up something.
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KMP
Posts: 4834
Houston, Texas, US
I've found, questions like this tells more about the person asking that those that answer.
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KMP
Posts: 4834
Houston, Texas, US
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Jessie Shannon
Posts: 2004
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
Ronin_LLC wrote:
Tony Lawrence wrote:
After reading the thread where you mentioned bringing weapons to a shoot my feeling is you may be a bit full of it. Well I am sure its a lot easier for you to molest and rape unarmed unsuspecting models, but thankfully some people put personal safety on a higher priority.
I have worked with some great Photographers, whose studios just happen to be in bad parts of town due to no fault of thier own.
Yeah possibly because:
A. I am lazy.
B. Most photographers/clients want to see what models look like in the raw so that way they see what they are working with and what they can do with it.
C. I only posted what I happened to have on my computer, I didn't drag out my portfolio and upload everything.
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Are you saying you don't know McDonalds? They are a house hold name and I am pretty sure they have a place near you.
(NOTE: NOT SAYING THAT MCDONALD WAS THE ABOVE MENTIONED COMPANY, MERELY AN EXAMPLE OF A HOUSE HOLD NAME EVERYONE KNOWS)
I could tell you who my agent is, you would know instantly that they are legit. You could check with them and see that yes I do have a contract with them and their website probably hosts all of my better pictures.
Yes I have dated a reporter, I have also dated a circuit clerk, several Models(bad idea) and even one of the Kentucky Horsemen football team's Filly Cheerleaders.(worse idea) Variety is the spice of life, try it out.
This whole thing is that you are upset that I have stepped on your toes and pointed out several obviously poor spots in the industry that in all likely hood you probably in gauge in for how defensive you are.
People who are overly defensive are compensating or covering up something. Please stop this is like every bad forum topic rolled into one post. Bahahaha your killing me 
and because dragging out your huuuge port would be soooo hard.
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Tony Lawrence
Posts: 21526
Chicago, Illinois, US
In todays news. Unconfirmed sources from people we can't name are telling us several major modeling agencies you have heard of but we won't say have had clients offered models drugs. None of the models will allow their names used or what city or state they live in but they have written about this problem on blogs and websites. More on this story as information develops. In a related story models are also confirming that they have had sex, drank and engaged in recreational drug use. In a shocking video hear from a friend of a friend of a model who claims that a fake agent gave her drugs and gasp tried to get her to take her clothing off for a nude shoot.
To protect her privacy the friend of a friend is masked. OP, peddle that stuff some where else.
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Ronin_LLC
Posts: 2012
Louisville, Kentucky, US
Maria Michaela wrote:
sorry, I don't have time. I'm too busy booking jobs and modelling... You should make the time they are fairly interesting books, and the one on Eve changed my perceptions of her.
You should always make time to read.
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