Forums > Model Colloquy > Annoying things that photographers do

Photographer

White Lace Studios

Posts: 1719

Mesa, Arizona, US

Art of the nude wrote:
I had a model cancel a 9 am shoot with a message at 3 am, because she had decided she was "too fat to be a model."  NOT COOL.

I've been given several 'interesting' reasons to cancel a job. But the Model "calling in Fat"?

Apr 10 12 08:51 pm Link

Model

Koryn

Posts: 39496

Boston, Massachusetts, US

Lizzy Borden wrote:
i find it annoying when they push the boundaries of my comfort zone...especially when they 'argue' that i have certain pics in my port, so i should shoot such things with them as well

If you do not wish for the images in your portfolio to represent the type of work you are open to doing, remove the images in question.

If people see you have shot a certain level of content before, they will assume you are available for that type of work, and will request it.

Apr 10 12 09:18 pm Link

Model

Jessie Shannon

Posts: 2004

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

How about when photographers get butthurt and block you because you wont shoot with them "right away" and shot with other people first because they are not 1st priority and they have a HUGE ego.

Apr 10 12 09:20 pm Link

Photographer

SlickSteveH1

Posts: 1

Slough, England, United Kingdom

I always just try and be polite and friendly
treat a shoot like any other job
On a first day I wouldnt go asking people about their relationships or asking them out for a drink or a meal
Its different when you have worked with someone for a long period of time, then you might ask a personal questions or maybe say ''Fancy a sandwich''

Apr 11 12 01:14 am Link

Photographer

fine art nudes by paul

Posts: 3296

Oakland, California, US

Eurocat wrote:
This is a thread derived from the 'annoying things models do' bit in the 'other' forum.

This is about model's pet peeves, not horror storries about rape and molestation.

I go first:

It is a pet peeve of mine, when the photographer keeps wanting to feed me, (upon a wrapped set, before I get ready to leave), although I repeatedly said "No, thank you."  "I am ocd about my diet." " I appreciate the effort, but I am good." "I don't eat this or that, but thank you." "I am really not hungry."

I understand that in most it's not just about the hospitality thing, and good manners, but a little father complex. "Must feed starving child."

Really, you are sweet, but please don't make me explain my whole issue about why I don't eat certain things, we'll be there for another hour.


Edit: I'd love a glass of water, all the time, every time. Please and thank you.

what certain things don't you eat?

Apr 11 12 01:20 am Link

Photographer

RosemaryAbel

Posts: 7

Auckland, Auckland, New Zealand

Lizzy Borden wrote:
i find it annoying when they push the boundaries of my comfort zone...especially when they 'argue' that i have certain pics in my port, so i should shoot such things with them as well

Ditto - when I llama, it's always artistic nude, I'm pretty open and easy going but there are always the photographer who want to push for a little more than what I'm willing to give. I explain nicely that that's not the sort of thing I want my parents/friends/boyfriend stumbling across.

Apr 11 12 01:22 am Link

Model

Isakelle

Posts: 6

New York, New York, US

I don't like it when photographers talk badly about other models.. not because they might be my friend, I just don't think it is very professional. Even if it is worded as a compliment to me like; "You have a great figure unlike so-and-so".
Another pet peeve is when the shoot ends up not being what we agreed to, e.g. a 1/2 day shoot turns into a full day, a lookbook turns into wanting to shoot me nude.
I also hate it when photographers don't give any direction! Annoying!

Apr 11 12 02:21 am Link

Model

Axioma

Posts: 6822

Antwerp, Antwerp, Belgium

Giving no/crap pictures makes me mad/sad.

Apr 11 12 02:29 am Link

Photographer

Camerosity

Posts: 5805

Saint Louis, Missouri, US

Interesting thread. I haven’t seen anything I do yet, but I’ll keep following it – just in case

Have to confess that I’m a bit confused though.

Eurocat wrote:
It is a pet peeve of mine, when the photographer keeps wanting to feed me…

Eurocat wrote:
Come here and say that to my face. (OP aka cookie monster was not aware photographers elsewhere offered sugar to llamas...)

MelissaAnn  wrote:
I love being offered food *after* a shoot.  I'm usually starving.

Miss Rachel Elizabeth wrote:
I love anyone who brings food to a shoot, i always bring my own aswell though. I eat alot lol ^_^

I’ve never offered to feed a llama after a shoot. That seems – well, at least borderline. I suppose I might if she was a good friend and we’d shot together several times.

I was invited to dinner after a shoot once. Had to decline. I was off to my daughter and son-in-law’s to watch a big football game – my alma mater vs. son-in-law’s.

Mine beat the sh*t out of his, which was expected. We've played in more national championship games in the past 10 and past 15 years than anyone else. (We've also lost more national championship games in the past 10 years than anyone else; sad )

Apr 11 12 02:33 am Link

Model

Isserley

Posts: 1650

Gent, East Flanders, Belgium

Eh, pet peeves:

- sexualized comments during the shoot. I'm not interested in whether this is turning you on. I'd rather assume it isn't. Asking me about whether I have a boyfriend, also a no-go.
- pushing boundaries, beforehand OR during a shoot. "I see you don't shoot nudes, but how about THIS?" It's fine to want to establish the exact limit, but once I've stated it and illustrated my point, STOP HAGGLING. I will decline the shoot entirely if I feel you're just trying to get me as naked as you can.
- taking forever to actually set something up. If you just want to "freestyle" and I do my own make-up and bring my own stuff, why on earth should it take two months to set a date?
- keep asking about TF long after I've made it clear that, sorry, I don't feel those photos would benefit my portfolio at this time.
- touching me without permission during the shoot.

Apr 11 12 02:42 am Link

Model

Isserley

Posts: 1650

Gent, East Flanders, Belgium

Mini_ wrote:
Giving no/crap pictures makes me mad/sad.

And this, obviously. It's more than a pet peeve to me though hmm It's withholding payment.

Apr 11 12 02:45 am Link

Photographer

T-Dog Studio

Posts: 368

Nashville, Tennessee, US

Thanks for the great pointers ladies.

Apr 11 12 02:58 am Link

Photographer

Jerry Nemeth

Posts: 33355

Dearborn, Michigan, US

Jessie Shannon wrote:

+1 Agreed smile

That is something I would never do!

Apr 11 12 03:03 am Link

Photographer

Jerry Nemeth

Posts: 33355

Dearborn, Michigan, US

Jessie Shannon wrote:
How about when photographers get butthurt and block you because you wont shoot with them "right away" and shot with other people first because they are not 1st priority and they have a HUGE ego.

big_smile

Apr 11 12 03:11 am Link

Model

J O A N N E

Posts: 2362

Derby, England, United Kingdom

Touching me! Please don't re-arrange my arms or legs, ask me to move, please don't grab my hand to help me up when I'm done posing on the floor & most certainly don't start attempting to lift me over something. It's not right & It's not normal!!

Apr 11 12 03:25 am Link

Photographer

Drew Smith Photography

Posts: 5214

Nottingham, England, United Kingdom

James Ogilvie wrote:

Just look at Jessie's avatar.  That's actually me. 

MUA was awesome!

James - I want to shoot you - send me your rates!  tongue

Apr 11 12 03:35 am Link

Photographer

Jerry Nemeth

Posts: 33355

Dearborn, Michigan, US

Just Danielle wrote:
Touching me! Please don't re-arrange my arms or legs, ask me to move, please don't grab my hand to help me up when I'm done posing on the floor & most certainly don't start attempting to lift me over something. It's not right & It's not normal!!

I'll just photograph another model!


big_smile

Apr 11 12 03:38 am Link

Photographer

Camerosity

Posts: 5805

Saint Louis, Missouri, US

Isakelle wrote:
I don't like it when photographers talk badly about other models.. not because they might be my friend, I just don't think it is very professional. Even if it is worded as a compliment to me like; "You have a great figure unlike so-and-so".

Comparing one woman to another is never cool... not just between photographers and models.

Apr 11 12 04:06 am Link

Photographer

Camerosity

Posts: 5805

Saint Louis, Missouri, US

James Ogilvie wrote:

Just look at Jessie's avatar.  That's actually me. 

MUA was awesome!

James, you have a great figure - unlike so-and-so.

Apr 11 12 04:15 am Link

Model

Cherry Von Bandersnatch

Posts: 148

Columbus, Ohio, US

Augustine York wrote:
Sets my teeth on edge to have to listen to rants about other models re: flaking, nudity, no nudity, "porn", escorts, punctuality, tattoos, breast implants, hair color, etc etc...
especially when they end up trash talking girls I'm friends with. That's a one-way ticket to my "never work with again" list.

You took the words out of my mouth! +1

Apr 11 12 04:26 am Link

Photographer

Nico Simon Princely

Posts: 1972

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

I pretty much play by my own rules but state them up front there are no surprises or uncomfortable moment. You can read my page know what to expect from me right up front which is why I wrote it all out.

I like social models and collaborative models, I'm a networker, marketer and artist. I often even go shopping with the model to plan wardrobe.

I plan on having an art show with my work (not see on here) with the models present if possible and if a model is non-social, feels uncomfortable about small talk or building rapport and just wants to shoot and run out the door for then for my art projects I'd prefer not to work with her/him and honestly even on other projects I'd prefer to just call a model that's also a friend.

I mean really whats more fun that working and making money and/or art with your friends, is that not what most people really want in life to make money while having fun. Would you rather work with a friend or stranger?

So those that tend to be there just to grab a quick paycheck not be social and not want to network and think any question is prying into their lives I tend to pass on. I'll call someone I like working with.

It been my experience that most opportunities in life go to peoples friends not people that they hardly know. That how I got my last job, from a friend.

As far a food and dinner I offer snacks, drinks. Never taken a model out but I had one take me out to sushi twice for a TF. She loved her pics too! smile

I think is all personal preference so to each their own, but that's how I work.

I hang out with my MUAs and clients too sometimes. It's all good.

Apr 11 12 04:30 am Link

Model

J O A N N E

Posts: 2362

Derby, England, United Kingdom

Jerry Nemeth wrote
I'll just photograph another model!

You make it sound like you like to touch models during shoots!

Apr 11 12 04:36 am Link

Model

Fawnya

Posts: 132

London, England, United Kingdom

I hate when I agree to test with a photographer for a specific kind of shoot i.e. latexwear, and they take FULL advantage of my offer and expect me to shoot nude, erotic and/or bondage too without actually getting my consent first. Give an inch and people take a fucking mile.

Apr 11 12 04:47 am Link

Artist/Painter

Two Pears Studio

Posts: 3632

Wilmington, Delaware, US

Wow... this thread makes me terrified... not because I do any of these things, but because it scares me that I might be doing something and not aware that I am!

shivers!

Apr 11 12 04:53 am Link

Photographer

Jerry Nemeth

Posts: 33355

Dearborn, Michigan, US

Just Danielle wrote:

You make it sound like you like to touch models during shoots!

It seems like you are an extremely fussy person.
That I don't need.

Apr 11 12 05:03 am Link

Photographer

Camerosity

Posts: 5805

Saint Louis, Missouri, US

Jerry Nemeth wrote:
It seems like you are an extremely fussy person.
That I don't need.

Touching models is a big deal with a lot of models and (from some of the stories I've heard) with good reason.

We have a studio rule against photographers touching models unless we're specifically asked to. Like the time a model who was about to jump down from a perch about 4.5 feet above the ground asked me to catch her till she got her balance.

Apr 11 12 05:09 am Link

Photographer

Harold Rose

Posts: 2925

Calhoun, Georgia, US

Eurocat wrote:
This is a thread derived from the 'annoying things models do' bit in the 'other' forum.

This is about model's pet peeves, not horror storries about rape and molestation.

I go first:

It is a pet peeve of mine, when the photographer keeps wanting to feed me, (upon a wrapped set, before I get ready to leave), although I repeatedly said "No, thank you."  "I am ocd about my diet." " I appreciate the effort, but I am good." "I don't eat this or that, but thank you." "I am really not hungry."

I understand that in most it's not just about the hospitality thing, and good manners, but a little father complex. "Must feed starving child."

Really, you are sweet, but please don't make me explain my whole issue about why I don't eat certain things, we'll be there for another hour.


Edit: I'd love a glass of water, all the time, every time. Please and thank you.

I see this comment and  to me,  it seems that the photographer is trying to drag out  his  time with the model..

Apr 11 12 05:12 am Link

Photographer

Camerosity

Posts: 5805

Saint Louis, Missouri, US

Harold Rose wrote:
I see this comment and  to me,  it seems that the photographer is trying to drag out  his  time with the model..

At the very least.

Apr 11 12 05:14 am Link

Model

Axioma

Posts: 6822

Antwerp, Antwerp, Belgium

From my personal point of view, I feel that models who are all uppity about 'being touched' are/can be a bit overdramatic. You are on set to work, to make pictures. There is no need in assuming that a photographer who quickly adjusts something is automatically a pervert or creep. The main thing lies in the rapport and level of professionalism that is exuded.

But again - this is my personal stance on the subject.

Apr 11 12 05:20 am Link

Photographer

Nico Simon Princely

Posts: 1972

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

Mini_ wrote:
From my personal point of view, I feel that models who are all uppity about 'being touched' are/can be a bit overdramatic. You are on set to work, to make pictures. There is no need in assuming that a photographer who quickly adjusts something is automatically a pervert or creep. The main thing lies in the rapport and level of professionalism that is exuded.

But again - this is my personal stance on the subject.

+1

Apr 11 12 05:23 am Link

Photographer

Rich Davis

Posts: 3136

Gulf Breeze, Florida, US

PTPhotoUT wrote:
I hope more models chime in on this, so I can correct any annoying behaviors.

I hope they chime in so I can develop and perfect many more annoying behaviors.

Just kidding:-).

Apr 11 12 05:25 am Link

Photographer

Nico Simon Princely

Posts: 1972

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

White Lace Studios wrote:

I've been given several 'interesting' reasons to cancel a job. But the Model "calling in Fat"?

I had a model cancel the shoot the morning of because and I quote "We'll we can still shoot but you going to have to do a lot of retouching" translation > "I was out partying and drinking and I look like hell."

Apr 11 12 05:25 am Link

Photographer

Jerry Nemeth

Posts: 33355

Dearborn, Michigan, US

Camerosity wrote:

Touching models is a big deal with a lot of models and (from some of the stories I've heard) with good reason.

We have a studio rule against photographers touching models unless we're specifically asked to. Like the time a model who was about to jump down from a perch about 4.5 feet above the ground asked me to catch her till she got her balance.

They may have had problems with other photographers.  If the model is suspicious of all photographers then there is a problem that I don't want to deal with.

Apr 11 12 05:37 am Link

Photographer

GD Whalen

Posts: 1886

Asheville, North Carolina, US

Man, some people in here complain a lot.

Apr 11 12 05:37 am Link

Photographer

Jerry Nemeth

Posts: 33355

Dearborn, Michigan, US

Mini_ wrote:
From my personal point of view, I feel that models who are all uppity about 'being touched' are/can be a bit overdramatic. You are on set to work, to make pictures. There is no need in assuming that a photographer who quickly adjusts something is automatically a pervert or creep. The main thing lies in the rapport and level of professionalism that is exuded.

But again - this is my personal stance on the subject.

I agree.

Apr 11 12 05:37 am Link

Photographer

Fashion Photographer

Posts: 14388

London, England, United Kingdom

Well aren't you all just a bunch of negative nancies wink

Apr 11 12 05:38 am Link

Model

KaliChaos

Posts: 294

Plymouth, England, United Kingdom

The only thing I've really had to "deal" with is photographers walking off to a different spot at the location and when Im trying to run around after them in heels it gets annoying!

Apr 11 12 05:43 am Link

Photographer

Ally Moy

Posts: 416

New York, New York, US

I apparently get very quiet and intense when i'm problem solving lighting or styling and of course i happen to be staring straight at the models face inspecting shadows and makeup. Sorry guys! tongue

Apr 11 12 05:50 am Link

Photographer

Camerosity

Posts: 5805

Saint Louis, Missouri, US

Ally Photo wrote:
I apparently get very quiet and intense when i'm problem solving lighting or styling and of course i happen to be staring straight at the llamas face inspecting shadows and makeup. Sorry guys! tongue

I’m sure my communication skills aren't perfect, but I try to let the llama know what's going on. "Give me a minute to decide what I want to do next with the lighting."

I try to explain things that might not "look right" to them – like telling them that the beauty dish isn't pointed squarely at their face because we'll get softer light from the edge of the dish than the center.

Or that the light stand that's holding the 30-pound Mola dish directly above her is probably strong enough to support my car.

Or telling her in advance that the reason I'm going to stop and look her over once in a while is to make sure there isn't a wardrobe malfunction – like a twisted strap, or making sure that the price tag on the top she’s returning to the boutique tomorrow hasn't suddenly become visible again.

Or telling her that I’m just going to check out a nearby spot at the location, and she can wait where she is instead of chasing after me with her heels

This type of communication isn’t something that comes naturally to me, but I think I'm constantly improving.

For example, about 15 years ago, I spent a day shooting (edit - oops! photographing) several llamas for a local agency. We spent most of the day indoors, but when the sun got lower in the sky late in the afternoon, we moved outdoors.

The wind was blowing like hell – but the windblown look was fine for what we were doing. One llama was going through the llamaing in motion thing at about 12 ppm (poses per minute), when suddenly she got stuck.

So I tried to help her out by suggesting, “Do something with your hair.” (Like run your fingers through it.)

The llama walked off, sat down by the building, opened her kit and pulled out a mirror and a hairbrush. (As if that would do any good.)

My bad.

Anyway, although my communication skills still aren’t perfect, they seem to appreciate the effort.

Apr 11 12 06:16 am Link

Photographer

Visual Echoes

Posts: 923

Niagara Falls, New York, US

Rollo David Snook wrote:
What annoys me about some photographers is the language they use...

Shot a model. Shoot a model.

I had a model ask me if I'd shoot her in my basement.

Apr 11 12 06:20 am Link