Mini_ wrote:
From my personal point of view, I feel that models who are all uppity about 'being touched' are/can be a bit overdramatic. You are on set to work, to make pictures. There is no need in assuming that a photographer who quickly adjusts something is automatically a pervert or creep. The main thing lies in the rapport and level of professionalism that is exuded.

But again - this is my personal stance on the subject.

If a model is that paranoid about being touched (and I mean in an innocent professional way) then maybe this profession is not what they need to be in.  Sometimes an arm, hair, or whatever just needs to me moved, and no verbal instruction is working, then a slight adjustment by the photographer is in order.  Its a professional set.  If a model cannot deal with that, then move on to another line of work.

DBVE Imaging wrote:
If a model is that paranoid about being touched (and I mean in an innocent professional way) then maybe this profession is not what they need to be in.  Sometimes an arm, hair, or whatever just needs to me moved, and no verbal instruction is working, then a slight adjustment by the photographer is in order.  Its a professional set.  If a model cannot deal with that, then move on to another line of work.

Let me put this the most charitable way that I can: I am not stupid. I presume that the photographer is not stupid. Therefore, if my hand needs to be moved one inch to the left, in most cases the most logical and efficient way to achieve this is for the photographer to say, "Could you move your hand an inch?" I move my hand. Voilá.

Sometimes -- to move a really pesky hair or something -- a slight adjustment by the photographer is indeed in order. In such case, yes, it is good form to ask before you stick your hand in the model's face. Is that so difficult to understand?

DBVE Imaging wrote:
If a model is that paranoid about being touched (and I mean in an innocent professional way) then maybe this profession is not what they need to be in.  Sometimes an arm, hair, or whatever just needs to me moved, and no verbal instruction is working, then a slight adjustment by the photographer is in order.  Its a professional set.  If a model cannot deal with that, then move on to another line of work.

Kamarose wrote:
Let me put this the most charitable way that I can: I am not stupid. I presume that the photographer is not stupid. Therefore, if my hand needs to be moved one inch to the left, in most cases the most logical and efficient way to achieve this is for the photographer to say, "Could you move your hand an inch?" I move my hand. Voilá.

Sometimes -- to move a really pesky hair or something -- a slight adjustment by the photographer is indeed in order. In such case, yes, it is good form to ask before you stick your hand in the model's face. Is that so difficult to understand?

You are both basically saying the same

Kamarose wrote:
Let me put this the most charitable way that I can: I am not stupid. I presume that the photographer is not stupid. Therefore, if my hand needs to be moved one inch to the left, in most cases the most logical and efficient way to achieve this is for the photographer to say, "Could you move your hand an inch?" I move my hand. Voilá.

Sometimes -- to move a really pesky hair or something -- a slight adjustment by the photographer is indeed in order. In such case, yes, it is good form to ask before you stick your hand in the model's face. Is that so difficult to understand?

Also, no harm in asking first. Just because I'm a model doesn't mean you get to touch me whenever you see fit. I'm a human, not an object. ASK before you touch.

DBVE Imaging wrote:

If a model is that paranoid about being touched (and I mean in an innocent professional way) then maybe this profession is not what they need to be in.  Sometimes an arm, hair, or whatever just needs to me moved, and no verbal instruction is working, then a slight adjustment by the photographer is in order.  Its a professional set.  If a model cannot deal with that, then move on to another line of work.

Is it really so hard to just ASK first, before you touch the model? Really???

It's not about being paranoid of perverts, just common decency.

Miss Rachel Elizabeth wrote:
but yea i had a tog ring me constantly on the morning making sure i wasnt gonna flake. Was pretty annoying o_0

Yep.

Telling me I'm going to flake is annoying.

Eurocat wrote:
I understand that in most it's not just about the hospitality thing, and good manners, but a little father complex. "Must feed starving child."

FWIW, for me, it's about the hospitality thing....though the past two shoots, I've wondered why no one has eaten my freshly made carrot cake muffins or banana bread or hummus dip.
Everyone just seems ok w/ water which leaves more snacks for me because I'm starved halfway through the shoot w/ my high metabolism :-)

K I C K H A M wrote:

Yep.

Telling me I'm going to flake is annoying.

+1

The first rule that all photographers should learn is "Don't feed the models". Once you do, you can never get rid of them.

I thought it was don't feed the models after midnight and don't get them wet.

SKITA Studios wrote:

FWIW, for me, it's about the hospitality thing....though the past two shoots, I've wondered why no one has eaten my freshly made carrot cake muffins or banana bread or hummus dip.
Everyone just seems ok w/ water which leaves more snacks for me because I'm starved halfway through the shoot w/ my high metabolism :-)

Snacks are fine - *after* the shoot.

Scarlett Candee wrote:
Snacks are fine - *after* the shoot.

I am forever grateful to the model who took home the cupcakes and desserts from a shoot. Of course she had male roommates who happily devoured them, but they would have gone to waste if it hadn't been for her.

Water is the essential thing that I offer every model.

Sometimes my assistant helps.

Visual Echoes wrote:
I am forever grateful to the model who took home the cupcakes and desserts from a shoot. Of course she had male roommates who happily devoured them, but they would have gone to waste if it hadn't been for her.

Water is the essential thing that I offer every model.

Sometimes my assistant helps.

Once a photographer gave me a bottle of champagne after a shoot because it was my birthday. That was awfully nice of him... But I couldn't accept it!

Augustine York wrote:
Sets my teeth on edge to have to listen to rants about other models re: flaking, nudity, no nudity, "porn", escorts, punctuality, tattoos, breast implants, hair color, etc etc...
especially when they end up trash talking girls I'm friends with.

Kamarose wrote:
Let me put this the most charitable way that I can: I am not stupid. I presume that the photographer is not stupid. Therefore, if my hand needs to be moved one inch to the left, in most cases the most logical and efficient way to achieve this is for the photographer to say, "Could you move your hand an inch?" I move my hand. Voilá.

hartcons wrote:
on my sets it's the models doing the trash talking (usually about other models, not the photographers). i try to put in a good word for the model in question (i've never had a bad experience with a model other than flaking). they also tell stories about their photographers but usually it's with more affection ("he talked me into going to this strip club with him and this happened and then that happened") unless it's like "so and so had really poor hygiene"

I was networking with a few people, one photographer included in the group, and I mentioned a model I had worked with and designed a site for. The other photographer actually pulled me aside and began to dish out as much dirt on that model as he possibly could. I've had nothing but great experiences working with her, so I disregarded his words but from then on I had him pegged as a spiteful gossip.

I've met some photographers who seem to enjoy acting like they hold the key to a  model's reputation and they will ruin anyone who makes them angry, which is easy to do. I don't get that.

hartcons wrote:
you are 100% wrong! doing that usually wrecks the pose and we never get back to it. if you don't want to be touched in any way for any reason then let the photographer know that at the beginning of the shoot.

Different strokes for different people.

Visual Echoes wrote:
I've met some photographers who seem to enjoy acting like they hold the key to a  model's reputation and they will ruin anyone who makes them angry, which is easy to do. I don't get that.

Scarlett Candee wrote:
Different strokes for different people.

hartcons wrote:
to me it's about getting the best possible images and anything that gets in the way of that is potentially a problem. if a model is unwilling to have her hair adjusted in the interest of getting the best possible images then maybe this is the wrong thing for her to be doing.

Not everyone works the same way... And thankfully so. If you're going to touch me, just tell me beforehand. Nothing wrong with that, is there?

Jessie Shannon wrote:
How about when photographers get butthurt and block you because you wont shoot with them "right away" and shot with other people first because they are not 1st priority and they have a HUGE ego.

Anyone who'd block you is clearly insane.

hartcons wrote:
you are 100% wrong! doing that usually wrecks the pose and we never get back to it. if you don't want to be touched in any way for any reason then let the photographer know that at the beginning of the shoot.

I dunno.  My rec to my fellow photogz is 'just ask'.

And if you have a model who tends to 'ruin' a pose everytime you ask her to reposition, I think there are ways around that too.  Just a quick chat before the shoot: "So...if I tell you to 'hold everything as it is'...that just means what you've got is GREAT, but I'm about to ask you to make one tiny adjustment...so just relax and take note of what you're doing...and try to just focus on the one adjustment I'm asking you to make.  For instance, if I say 'bring your eyes to me', that means just move your eyes, not your head.  But on the whole, you'll do great and there's no such thing as a horrible mistake.  It'll be great."  ...or something like that...and repeat if necc.

I'm just a big believer in using words to handle all obstacles in life.  Including the obstacle of a model who just isn't 'getting' what I'm asking for so I *ask*: "Do you mind if I adjust your arm?"

Neil Snape wrote:
So touching a model if for reasons of making the pictures is needed it indeed has to be done with respect.    I just have to remember that, when shooting other than agency models.

Completely agree with this.  I'm a person who doesn't like to be touched so I understand where many models are coming from and I think I may have "touched" a model once or twice in 7 years, but I was shocked with I joined MM and realized that many models think photographers touching them/adjusting wardrobe, etc. is sleazy. 

I remember seeing several images of Richard Avedon at work and he is frequently shown "touching" the models.  There was one photo from his "In the American West" series where he was tucking in a man's shirt.  Obviously Avedon wasn't getting his jollies by touching his models/subjects, it's just how he worked.

Scarlett Candee wrote:
Not everyone works the same way... And thankfully so. If you're going to touch me, just tell me beforehand. Nothing wrong with that, is there?

Neil Snape wrote:
So touching a model if for reasons of making the pictures is needed it indeed has to be done with respect.    I just have to remember that, when shooting other than agency models.

You got it!  True dat.

T Urban Photography wrote:
I remember seeing several images of Richard Avedon at work and he is frequently shown "touching" the models.  There was one photo from his "In the American West" series where he was tucking in a man's shirt.  Obviously Avedon wasn't getting his jollies by touching his models/subjects, it's just how he worked.

Just Danielle wrote:
Touching me! Please don't re-arrange my arms or legs, ask me to move, please don't grab my hand to help me up when I'm done posing on the floor & most certainly don't start attempting to lift me over something. It's not right & It's not normal!!

Ugh. Thank you!

I am trying to give you my best poses, the best ones are the ones that work. I have tried them. I can get into them, I can get out of them. No need to pull me up, or give me a pityful look after coming out of a backbend that would have made your yoga instructor jealous, just because I groan when I do it.

It's work, y'all! Let me do my job.

Mini_ wrote:
They see, unlike me, the whole picture while capturing it so should be able to offer enhancements and direct towards the best result possible imo.

Scarlett Candee wrote:

Not everyone works the same way... And thankfully so. If you're going to touch me, just tell me beforehand. Nothing wrong with that, is there?

Basically this. Just say/ask once and I don't have the slightest issue with it. However, certain hobbyist photographers seem to enjoy toeing a line between appropriate and less-than-appropriate They are only a very small minority, but I like the courtesy of being asked, especially when working with photographers I've never met before.

MeliRae Plus Size model wrote:
I also find it annoying whaen a photographer expects me and my escort to help set up their lights, and the space we are shooting in. The photographer should have everything ready well before the model arrives for their scheduled shoot. Do not waste an hour and ahalf of shooting time trying to set up becasue you lack organization, and direction with your shoots.

double negative wrote:
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what certain things don't you eat?

There. Just this once, and for all to see:

Meat and meat products
Most 'snack foods', such as chips, etc.
Anything with artificial flavors, colors, hormones, antibiotics (animals), etc.
I don't eat most cheeses (import only, because I don't want anything to do with the dairy industry in the US -hormones again)
Eggs. Unless 100% fee range.

See how it's getting complicated already?

I am iffy on fruit (I have something called 'geographical tongue', my tongue was grown to the roof of my mouth at birth, they had to cut it down right quick, and it left a miniature grand canyon on my tongue, that, when enough of the right substance is added, swells up, gives me little blisters around the edge of my tongue, and that gets painful). Too much acidity will set that off. Certain nuts will set it off. Certain enzymes in certain foods. Too much salt/vinegar/citric acid (yes, that means sour strawberries too!)/too much garlic (although IMHO there's no such thing as too much garlic).

I don't drink sodas or fruit juices (unless the water tastes like ass, which it mostly does here- I am a snob, because in Austria the water is so good).

No need to bother anyone with my restricitons.

You can feed me sushi. Won't ever turn that down. If it's good.

hartcons wrote:
i used to set everything up in advance but then i started getting flaked on so now with an untested model i don't lift a finger until they arrive (or at least text me that they are on the way). as with many things in life a small percentage of bad people mess it up for the good. i think a lot of the things that we complain about are simply defense mechanisms that people engage in after being burned.

if you are getting paid then some photographers don't feel the need to provide any images (you got money instead).

No I was not paid that is the thing. I have never had such a A hole of a photographer as this guy. If his intention was to never give me the images I never would have worked with him in the first place. My rules is i must get all images after the shoot or I will not work with you again.