Lizzy Borden wrote:
i find it annoying when they push the boundaries of my comfort zone...especially when they 'argue' that i have certain pics in my port, so i should shoot such things with them as well

A model contacted me asking to shoot and based on several pictures in her port, I brought up underwear and implieds. She replied that I must have a specific "agenda" for what I wanted to shoot and backed out. I said I only thought it was OK because there was so much of it in her port. She said she only shot in her underwear for photographers she'd worked with many times and because her husband was there. Now, how the HELL was I supposed to know all that? Long story short, unless it's otherwise specified in profile information, what's wrong with a photographer assuming you'll shoot with him the same stuff that's in your port?

MelissaAnn  wrote:
I love being offered food *after* a shoot.  I'm usually starving.

Pancakes?





Just my $0.02

Ciao
Stefano

www.stefanobrunesci.com

OmnyRa wrote:

A model contacted me asking to shoot. Based on several pictures in her port, I brought up underwear and implieds. She replied that I must have a specific "agenda" for what I wanted to shoot and backed out. I said I only thought it was OK because there was so much of it in her port. She said she only shot in her underwear for photographers she'd worked with many times and because her husband was there. Now, how the HELL was I supposed to know all that? Long story short, unless it's otherwise specified in profile information, what's wrong with a photographer assuming you'll shoot with him the same stuff that's in your port?

Model was out of line, not you.  There's nothing wrong with asking, that's what's supposed to happen so the lines can be drawn before the shoot starts.  I guess it's models like her that make photographers paranoid about just asking for straight nudes.  If all you're doing is asking, and the model immediately assumes you're some kind of creep, that's her problem.

B R U N E S C I wrote:

Pancakes?





Just my $0.02

Ciao
Stefano

www.stefanobrunesci.com

Looooooove pancakes!!!  I must find a way to shoot with you, I must! 

MelissaAnn  wrote:
I swear I'm not going to bother bringing clothes anymore, they rarely ever get used.

Please bring.  Pretty please.

Scarlett Candee wrote:
Yep, me too! Then again, I'm chatty. When the ice has been broken.

I find it when the ice gets broken. Once spent two hours just chatting, we kinda forgot about the shoot. Thankfully she was free for the whole day. Yikes.

James Ogilvie wrote:
Please bring.  Pretty please.

For you.......okay.  But I'm not leaving your studio until we shoot some clothed stuff, and I mean it this time!

I know I'm not fashion model tall or anything, but nobody ever wants to photograph me with clothes on.....it makes me sad.

Brad Perks Lightscapes  wrote:
Educational read after 30 years pro. Chocolate to-go bags? Assignments are not about getting dates, touching or force feeding. It is about getting the job done and keeping the customer happy by working as a team.

Mini_ wrote:
Also a tiny pet-peeve: photographers that are satisfied too easily. They quickly glance at their screen thinking "okay, got it!" and move on, instead of examining it properly or thinking about ways to enhance it. Sometimes a slightly different angle for the face or turning the body just a tad bit further away for example makes all the difference between an okay-good shot and a stunning shot. They see, unlike me, the whole picture while capturing it so should be able to offer enhancements and direct towards the best result possible imo. It's dissapointing when they just mindlessly keep me going with posing and are thoughtless about the process or the end result. And it's often visible in the end result too.

I'm frequently guilty of this behavior and only notice it when I'm editing, long after the models have gone home. By then, of course, it is too late to ask for "...a slightly different angle..." which might have transformed a so-so photo into a great photo.

I can't tell you how wonderful it was to read your response, to remind me to concentrate even more on keeping this behavior in check. The next time you sense that happening, you might want to say something, especially if the photographer seems amenable to suggestions. I, for one, would appreciate hearing that suggestion from a model should I be slipping into mindless shooting because it is so true that a tiny adjustment can make a huge difference.

Neil Snape wrote:
I have lots of annoying habits. Mustn't be that bad though or models would have said something.

Seen the above flurry of the don't touch the models.

I think that there is something to be said about MM or freelance models that are outside the loop of fashion, big agency work. It is not the same.

When we do fashion spreads everyone is touching the models mu hair, stylist, and often the photographer. It is always in a set that has a lot of people, writer, art director assistants. Most of the time a photographer will ask the model or ask some one anyone to move the parts or clothes etc , yet if the photographer is right there in close proximity it is common place to do the dirty deed while there.

This is not where the models on MM are coming from, and the majority are not exposed to this often if at all.

It wasn't until a thread on MM that it made me aware of the difference, and that one should very cautiously proceed after asking.

Please don't read this wrong. There are just two paths models can be from, and the process of making pictures has a different flow and etiquette.

So touching a model if for reasons of making the pictures is needed it indeed has to be done with respect.    I just have to remember that, when shooting other than agency models.

You are correct. These^^ are two completely different worlds. apples/oranges

Bella la Bell wrote:
Oh oh oh.... let me go next.

When a photographer trashes other models.
When a photographer BRAGS about his/her work like their shit don't stink...
...

+1
These two... I don't like being sexually propositioned during or after shoots either, but I've been lucky to where it hasn't happened very often...

Little Alice wrote:
Telling me to bring "anything" to a clothed shoot.  They are aware that I have an extensive wardrobe, but don't know what they want to shoot and instead of figuring it out just throw out vague answers to me.  It's not helpful because I know that if I just bring "anything" they won't like what I bring.  I work hard to prepare for shoots, it's a slap in the face when a photographer doesn't take their own shoot seriously.  I don't see the point in setting up a shoot before you even know what you want to accomplish.

I semi agree with this. The photographer should be able to give you a better set of *general* parameters, like lingerie in pastels. OTOH, unless you are going to let him step into your bedroom or send him a video of the contents of your closet ther eis no way he will know what you have in that extensive wardrobe.

It gets back to the pre-shoot communication. If you get instructed to bring "anything", then the ball is now in your court to ask questions to get more specificity. You may need to press and go back and forth a few times before things are clarified. If you take the easy way and go ahead and just bring anything then you have equal blame in the dissatisfaction. And if you go ahead with the shoot after valient but unsuccessful attempts to get that info, then it was YOUR choice to shoot with someone that is not taking things seriously.

MelissaAnn  wrote:

For you.......okay.  But I'm not leaving your studio until we shoot some clothed stuff, and I mean it this time!

I know I'm not fashion model tall or anything, but nobody ever wants to photograph me with clothes on.....it makes me sad.

Well, it's easy.  We shoot that first. 

OmnyRa wrote:
She said she only shot in her underwear for photographers she'd worked with many times and because her husband was there.

Neil Snape wrote:
I have lots of annoying habits. Mustn't be that bad though or models would have said something.

Seen the above flurry of the don't touch the models.

I think that there is something to be said about MM or freelance models that are outside the loop of fashion, big agency work. It is not the same.

When we do fashion spreads everyone is touching the models mu hair, stylist, and often the photographer. It is always in a set that has a lot of people, writer, art director assistants. Most of the time a photographer will ask the model or ask some one anyone to move the parts or clothes etc , yet if the photographer is right there in close proximity it is common place to do the dirty deed while there.

This is not where the models on MM are coming from, and the majority are not exposed to this often if at all.

It wasn't until a thread on MM that it made me aware of the difference, and that one should very cautiously proceed after asking.

Please don't read this wrong. There are just two paths models can be from, and the process of making pictures has a different flow and etiquette.

So touching a model if for reasons of making the pictures is needed it indeed has to be done with respect.    I just have to remember that, when shooting other than agency models.

I think that usually, in the cases MM models complain about, there is not a full team present.

There is also a reason most have said "unnecessary touching."

But, I would think that if you found one of the icky-pervert-photographers, MOST of them would not try to cop a feel right in front of wardrobe and MU people.

Jessie Shannon wrote:
All shit stinks......some people just dont get it

B R U N E S C I wrote:

Pancakes?





Just my $0.02

Ciao
Stefano

www.stefanobrunesci.com

Don't know anyone who could say no to pancakes lol :-)

MelissaAnn  wrote:
I know I'm not fashion model tall or anything, but nobody ever wants to photograph me with clothes on.....it makes me sad.

There might be a reason no one wants to photograph you with clothes on... might be the same reason no one silver plates gold.

amportfolio wrote:
I'd rather keep it all fun so the images turn out wonderfully.

Bella la Bell wrote:
Oh oh oh.... let me go next.

Photographer makes comments under his/her breathing mouth and when I ask "did you say something?" They say no.

I tend to think out loud often when I am trying to figure stuff out... Can be a little embarrassing

jwilliamphoto wrote:
I tend to think out loud often when I am trying to figure stuff out... Can be a little embarrassing

Little Alice wrote:
Dishonesty.  This is the biggest.  Treat me like the business person I am, don't be shady behind my back.  Be upfront and honest about your expectations and what you plan to do with the end result.  Don't hire me for swim wear when you really wanted to hire me to be naked, don't lie to me about where you really intend on selling the photos.  Lying is the best way to get blacklisted by me.

Neil Snape wrote:
I think that there is something to be said about MM or freelance models that are outside the loop of fashion, big agency work. It is not the same.

When we do fashion spreads everyone is touching the models mu hair, stylist, and often the photographer. It is always in a set that has a lot of people, writer, art director assistants. Most of the time a photographer will ask the model or ask some one anyone to move the parts or clothes etc , yet if the photographer is right there in close proximity it is common place to do the dirty deed while there.

This is not where the models on MM are coming from, and the majority are not exposed to this often if at all.

It wasn't until a thread on MM that it made me aware of the difference, and that one should very cautiously proceed after asking.

Please don't read this wrong. There are just two paths models can be from, and the process of making pictures has a different flow and etiquette.

So touching a model if for reasons of making the pictures is needed it indeed has to be done with respect.    I just have to remember that, when shooting other than agency models.

It's a toss up. Do I stop the flow of shooting and stare at the hair stylist until she realizes I'm going to murder her for not paying attention, or do I lean over and quickly "touch" that hair back into place and carry on shooting? I usually end up doing both during the day.

With a good team, it shouldn't be necessary, but sometimes people need a bit of education. As long as you ask and explain and are professional there's no reason to get a complaint. I suspect a lot of the touching being complained about is unnecessary and voyeuristic.

Tristin Huntamer wrote:
Photographers that don't read my profile before approaching me to shoot. I am more than happy to elaborate if they ask me questions about negotiating rates or travel, but there is elaborating and then there is repeating entirely information that is out in the open.

Also photographers that ask to shoot trade, but are clearly beginners and cannot offer photos on par or better than what you already have. I understand that money is tight, but I invested in my portfolio when I started out as should everyone else.

Talking about their camera and lights like it equals magic. I've seen amazing images with $10 cameras and natural lighting. Expensive gear doesn't make a great image: skill and a good idea does.

+1000

Eurocat wrote:

FUUUUUUUck!

What kind of people do you work with!!!!!

It's the fucking MIDWEST.... *sigh* I have ran into some strange people...

Jessie Shannon wrote:

All shit stinks......some people just dont get it

I don't mind talking able their work in a humble way. But shit I have ran into some jerks in this town.

OmnyRa wrote:
A llama contacted me asking to shoot and based on several pictures in her port, I brought up underwear and implieds. She replied that I must have a specific "agenda" for what I wanted to shoot and backed out. I said I only thought it was OK because there was so much of it in her port. She said she only shot in her underwear for photographers she'd worked with many times and because her husband was there. Now, how the HELL was I supposed to know all that? Long story short, unless it's otherwise specified in profile information, what's wrong with a photographer assuming you'll shoot with him the same stuff that's in your port?

People never read your profile. I found that out so deleted most my shit due to the number of dumb asses I keep running into....

Babalon Salome wrote:
The worst to me are -

Messaging back and forth about a shoot forever, then suddenly disappearing.

Asking or making assumptions about my sex life.

Not giving any kind of direction or feedback on a shoot.

Touching me without asking, even more so when I am nude.

Not delivering images as agreed to.

And this one especially:

whooo hooo. true true!

hartcons wrote:
what about models that approach you and say "I LOVE YOUR WORK!!!!!!!!!!" that always seems to translate into "the other guys wanted me to pay so i'm hoping you'll do it for free" lol

... I offer photographers money to shoot with them first in a message normally on the lines of this. "I was reviewing your profile and really enjoy your work. I know your work is very high skilled and you might offer selective TF, so I was wondering if you could give me a quote on reasonable rates for a model working on building her portfolio."
Guess what I get back. "OMG, lets TF."

Bella la Bell wrote:
whooo hooo. true true!

Thinking about it, dishonesty is probably the worst, at least to me. Like someone with a portfolio full of beautiful figure studies asking me to shoot fine art nudes for trade, then on set wanting to shoot nothing but Score style big boobs glamour, which they had said not a word to me about beforehand because I would have turned them down in an instant.

Babalon Salome wrote:

Thinking about it, dishonesty is probably the worst, at least to me. Like someone with a portfolio full of beautiful figure studies asking me to shoot fine art nudes for trade, then on set wanting to shoot nothing but Score style big boobs glamour, which they had said not a word to me about beforehand because I would have turned them down in an instant.

most annoying is showing up at a shoot and the idea changes but the photographer never tells you, he/she changed it ...
Oh yeah. I have this one photographer always bothering me about nudes. I am like dude I do not do nudes. Respect the art but I personally can't....
the guy is a total perv... I get emails from him once a week...

FrancisXavier wrote:
When working with Eurocat, always offer a cold glass of water and after the shoot, send her home with chocolate.  That is what will make her want to work with you again!

I, for one, would work with you forever.