Photographer
ontherocks
Posts: 23575
Salem, Oregon, US
i've heard that from other models. bananas usually get eaten on our shoots (if not by the model then by the photographer). Eurocat wrote:
You can feed me sushi. Won't ever turn that down. If it's good.
Model
Axioma
Posts: 6822
Antwerp, Antwerp, Belgium
MeliRae Plus Size model wrote:
What annoys me the most is when the photographers never give me any of my photos as agreed upon after a shoot. I kindly remind them remaining calm and not being mean at all, and then I get ignored for 2 weeks, and finally get an extremely rude message about them taking time off to be with their kids so I just have to wait. Well had they told me I would not get my photos for 2 to 3 weeks I would have just left it as is, but to not have any contact with me and ignore all my messages, calls, and texts kindly asking for them makes you look bad, and makes you go on my personal list of photographers I will never work with again. I also find it annoying whaen a photographer expects me and my escort to help set up their lights, and the space we are shooting in. The photographer should have everything ready well before the model arrives for their scheduled shoot. Do not waste an hour and ahalf of shooting time trying to set up becasue you lack organization, and direction with your shoots. Do not tell a model not to pose and do their own thing a newer model like me is not exactly that advanced as I always discuss before hand. End of my rant. Wow. Just wow.
1 - Take a deep breath and relax. 2-3 weeks is not all that long and I can certainly see why you sending (multiple!) messages, calls AND texts in that time frame could get annoying. Ask a time guideline beforehand and only make contact when the deadline has passed and you did not receive anything to ask for clarification. Politely.
2 - While the photographer is setting up you can make yourself useful applying make-up and styling, or djee idk, why not refrain from diva-ish behaviour and help a hand. The joy of shooting is in a good collaboration and starting at the right foot will make the whole process more enjoyable for everyone.
3 - Certain basic skills are expected from models, even when they are new. You should be able to move on your own.
Model
Jessie Shannon
Posts: 2004
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
Eurocat wrote:
Anyone who'd block you is clearly insane. Yes I believe this one may be 
Photographer
ontherocks
Posts: 23575
Salem, Oregon, US
i had one llama say "please photoshop out my tummy" i was like "i would if i could find it!" White Lace Studios wrote:
I've been given several 'interesting' reasons to cancel a job. But the llama "calling in Fat"?
Photographer
ontherocks
Posts: 23575
Salem, Oregon, US
i think some guys enjoy hanging out with the model more than they care about the photography. but those guys should just pay already! lately i've just been giving my model a CD of in-camera jpegs at the end of the shoot. they can use that for proofing and let me know which ones to retouch. of course some of those wind up on fbook which has actually forced me to be a better in-camera photographer (which has really helped with events). MeliRae Plus Size model wrote:
No I was not paid that is the thing. I have never had such a A hole of a photographer as this guy. If his intention was to never give me the images I never would have worked with him in the first place. My rules is i must get all images after the shoot or I will not work with you again.
Model
Dea and the Beast
Posts: 4796
Saint Petersburg, Florida, US
LLOYD WRIGHT wrote:
eurocat seems to me, a right misery, you can be both friendly and professional during a shoot- then to come here winging as well. f***k me You don't know how I operate, dear, but go ahead and assume away.
In any other job one files grievance procedures, or brings shit up at a 'staff meeting'. No such thing here.
This IS the staff meeting.
Best thing to do would be to sit and learn. And be graceful and grateful.
Model
Dea and the Beast
Posts: 4796
Saint Petersburg, Florida, US
POMERANTS PHOTOGRAPHY wrote:
The first rule that all photographers should learn is "Don't feed the models". Once you do, you can never get rid of them. I thought it was don't feed the models after midnight and don't get them wet. It's a dangerous profession. 
Model
Dea and the Beast
Posts: 4796
Saint Petersburg, Florida, US
hartcons wrote:
we shoot into a TV which lets the model help with art direction or even self-adjust. it is a bit embarrassing when something horrible appears on screen (or a tight butt shot. lol) no hiding when you shoot live. Very smart, but surely sometimes terrifying.
Photographer
ontherocks
Posts: 23575
Salem, Oregon, US
well there goes any thought of midnite BBQ and skinny dipping. lol. oh to be young again. that was a great flick. Eurocat wrote:
I thought it was don't feed the models after midnight and don't get them wet.
Photographer
ontherocks
Posts: 23575
Salem, Oregon, US
to me this is one of the best parts about mayhem. i get to hear how models feel about things and maybe that knowledge can be used to help us all get along better. Eurocat wrote:
This IS the staff meeting.
Model
Jessie Shannon
Posts: 2004
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
hartcons wrote:
well there goes any thought of midnite BBQ and skinny dipping. lol. oh to be young again.
that was a great flick.
For some really good bbq I may go skinny dipping
Model
Dea and the Beast
Posts: 4796
Saint Petersburg, Florida, US
I'll pass on the bbq, but the skinny dip sure does sound fun....
Anyone got underwater equipment or care to use mine?
Photographer
Supermodel Photographer
Posts: 3309
Oyster Bay, New York, US
Eurocat wrote:
Annoying things that photographers do Posting in the Model Colloquy forum?
Photographer
Designit - Edward Olson
Posts: 1708
West Hollywood, California, US
What I do that I would think is annoying is talk, talk, talk. Everything that anyone says triggers some story or opinion or anecdote. Usually about me. I don't ask nearly enough questions about the model . Not intensely personal ones, but enough to show that I am interested in them as a person. Which I am, I just tend to get a lot about a person without asking questions. Sometimes, I just need to stop yapping. Although when I bring the subject up with models of me talking so much , they tend to say they don't mind and say that it makes the shoot go by faster.
Model
Dea and the Beast
Posts: 4796
Saint Petersburg, Florida, US
Supermodel Photographer wrote:
Posting in the Model Colloquy forum? That's okay, anyone 'standing trial' has the right to defend themselves. 
Model
P I X I E
Posts: 35440
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Eurocat wrote:
There. Just this once, and for all to see:
Meat and meat products
Most 'snack foods', such as chips, etc.
Anything with artificial flavors, colors, hormones, antibiotics (animals), etc.
I don't eat most cheeses (import only, because I don't want anything to do with the dairy industry in the US -hormones again)
Eggs. Unless 100% fee range.
See how it's getting complicated already?
I am iffy on fruit (I have something called 'geographical tongue', my tongue was grown to the roof of my mouth at birth, they had to cut it down right quick, and it left a miniature grand canyon on my tongue, that, when enough of the right substance is added, swells up, gives me little blisters around the edge of my tongue, and that gets painful). Too much acidity will set that off. Certain nuts will set it off. Certain enzymes in certain foods. Too much salt/vinegar/citric acid (yes, that means sour strawberries too!)/too much garlic (although IMHO there's no such thing as too much garlic).
I don't drink sodas or fruit juices (unless the water tastes like ass, which it mostly does here- I am a snob, because in Austria the water is so good).
No need to bother anyone with my restricitons.
You can feed me sushi. Won't ever turn that down. If it's good. Haha, I'm vegan, so I usually tell the photographer that before a shoot, so they know what they can feed me. No meat, no dairy (allergic anyway), no eggs... Everyone's been cool with that. I'll nibble on raw veggies usually and that is fine by me.
Model
Dea and the Beast
Posts: 4796
Saint Petersburg, Florida, US
Designit - Edward Olson wrote:
What I do that I would think is annoying is talk, talk, talk. Everything that anyone says triggers some story or opinion or anecdote. Usually about me. I don't ask nearly enough questions about the model. Not intensely personal ones, but enough to show that I am interested in them as a person. Which I am, I just tend to get a lot about a person without asking questions. Sometimes, I just need to stop yapping.
Although when I bring the subject up with models of me talking so much , they tend to say they don't mind and say that it makes the shoot go by faster. I actually prefer a chatty photographer to a completely silent one.
Model
P I X I E
Posts: 35440
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Eurocat wrote:
I actually prefer a chatty photographer to a completely silent one. Yep, me too! Then again, I'm chatty. When the ice has been broken.
Photographer
ontherocks
Posts: 23575
Salem, Oregon, US
i've had models complain about photographers who were so focused on the technical that they pretty much ignored the model . but especially at first the technical is kind of overwhelming. for my part i've started letting go of technical perfection in order to have more energy to interact with the subject (i imagine it gets kind of boring just standing there waiting). if i have a choice between perfect lighting and a non-bored expression on the model i'll take the non-bored expression on the model every time. but some amount of fussing with the technical stuff is required or the shoot will suck and require a ton of post. Eurocat wrote:
I actually prefer a chatty photographer to a completely silent one.
Photographer
Visual Echoes
Posts: 923
Niagara Falls, New York, US
hartcons wrote:
i've had models complain about photographers who were so focused on the technical that they pretty much ignored the model. but especially at first the technical is kind of overwhelming. for my part i've started letting go of technical perfection in order to have more energy to interact with the subject (i imagine it gets kind of boring just standing there waiting). if i have a choice between perfect lighting and a non-bored expression on the model i'll take the non-bored expression on the model every time. but some amount of fussing with the technical stuff is required or the shoot will suck and require a ton of post. I am guilty of sometimes slipping into a deep concentration while I'm setting a shot up. As a pretty quiet person in general, it took practice for me to speak more to the model and encourage them that it is looking good. What really helped me was a model politely asking me to do just that; let them know that it was working and that they were doing what I wanted. After that, I realized that when I do speak positively and communicate more, it really relaxes everyone involved, including me.
We're learning too
Photographer
Jerry Nemeth
Posts: 33355
Dearborn, Michigan, US
Eurocat wrote:
I actually prefer a chatty photographer to a completely silent one. I usually chat a lot while shooting models.
Photographer
Jacob Davis
Posts: 858
Boulder, Colorado, US
If the occasional "WTF are you talking about" arched-eyebrow looks are any indication, I sometimes have a problem explaining my vision in concrete terms.
Photographer
Jerry Nemeth
Posts: 33355
Dearborn, Michigan, US
T Urban Photography wrote:
Completely agree with this. I'm a person who doesn't like to be touched so I understand where many models are coming from and I think I may have "touched" a model once or twice in 7 years, but I was shocked with I joined MM and realized that many models think photographers touching them/adjusting wardrobe, etc. is sleazy.
I remember seeing several images of Richard Avedon at work and he is frequently shown "touching" the models. There was one photo from his "In the American West" series where he was tucking in a man's shirt. Obviously Avedon wasn't getting his jollies by touching his models/subjects, it's just how he worked. I wasn't upset when a nude model spontaneously hugged me.
Photographer
Supermodel Photographer
Posts: 3309
Oyster Bay, New York, US
Eurocat wrote:
anyone 'standing trial' has the right to defend themselves. Oh you are Eurocatty!
Model
Dea and the Beast
Posts: 4796
Saint Petersburg, Florida, US
Supermodel Photographer wrote:
Oh you are Eurocatty!
Model
Dea and the Beast
Posts: 4796
Saint Petersburg, Florida, US
Jerry Nemeth wrote:
I usually chat a lot while shooting models. Yes, yes, yes, I am coming to flaming Michigan, I told you.
Model
Little Alice
Posts: 3803
Chicago, Illinois, US
A few pet peeves of mine:
Repeatedly asking me to do something that we previously agreed was not going to happen. If I've already said no, then the answer will still be no. Getting whiny about it just makes things worse, and yes I have had photographers whine at me "But why can't we do spread shots? I won't share them with anyone!" -puppy eyes- Sorry, but that crap just makes me want to rage.
Telling me to bring "anything" to a clothed shoot. They are aware that I have an extensive wardrobe, but don't know what they want to shoot and instead of figuring it out just throw out vague answers to me. It's not helpful because I know that if I just bring "anything" they won't like what I bring. I work hard to prepare for shoots, it's a slap in the face when a photographer doesn't take their own shoot seriously. I don't see the point in setting up a shoot before you even know what you want to accomplish.
Having ridiculous expectations. This usually only applies to nude shoots. I hate it when a photographer gets pissy with me because I don't want to be barefoot in a pile of broken glass and filth. I am not an "extreme" model, I have no desire to get hepatitis. If your vision requires your model rolling around naked in medical waste, then hire an "extreme" model, not me. I put myself at risk as it is, I don't need a serious illness or injury on top of it.
Dishonesty. This is the biggest. Treat me like the business person I am, don't be shady behind my back. Be upfront and honest about your expectations and what you plan to do with the end result. Don't hire me for swim wear when you really wanted to hire me to be naked, don't lie to me about where you really intend on selling the photos. Lying is the best way to get blacklisted by me.
Model
MelissaAnn
Posts: 3971
Seattle, Washington, US
Oh, two more. When a photographer stalks my portfolio and leaves picture comments like "I would love to work with you", lists like "models I want to work with", and tags on a weekly basis but never sends me a pm. Finally I send a message to them and then never hear back.....but they keep stalking my portfolio with the comments/lists/tags. So weird.
When they tell me to bring a bunch of specific wardrobe items to a shoot that I have to pack, unpack, steam, etc, and then they decide they just want to shoot nudes. I swear I'm not going to bother bringing clothes anymore, they rarely ever get used.
Model
Dea and the Beast
Posts: 4796
Saint Petersburg, Florida, US
MelissaAnn wrote:
Oh, two more. When a photographer stalks my portfolio and leaves picture comments like "I would love to work with you", lists like "models I want to work with", and tags on a weekly basis but never sends me a pm. Finally I send a message to them and then never hear back.....but they keep stalking my portfolio with the comments/lists/tags. So weird.
When they tell me to bring a bunch of specific wardrobe items to a shoot that I have to pack, unpack, steam, etc, and then they decide they just want to shoot nudes.
Photographer
KMP
Posts: 4834
Houston, Texas, US
Jessie Shannon wrote:
When they call themselves "shooters" LOL I dont know why but it just sounds funny like "howdy partner"  I'm old school.. I'm guilty of saying "shooter" and prefer it over "tog".
But.. I have tried to refrain from saying "shoot" or "shot" in emails because some I think words like that can trigger (there I go again!) the wrong sort of attention.. if they are being scanned for key words..
Photographer
Visual Echoes
Posts: 923
Niagara Falls, New York, US
Scarlett Candee wrote:
Haha, I'm vegan, so I usually tell the photographer that before a shoot, so they know what they can feed me. No meat, no dairy (allergic anyway), no eggs... Everyone's been cool with that. I'll nibble on raw veggies usually and that is fine by me. I had a beautiful model crash on my studio couch while doing a "tour". She informed us that she'd be arriving late so we were prepared. She got there at around 11 and we fed her carrots.
Good times.
Model
P I X I E
Posts: 35440
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Visual Echoes wrote:
I had a beautiful model crash on my studio couch while doing a "tour". She informed us that she'd be arriving late so we were prepared. She got there at around 11 and we fed her carrots.
Good times. I love baby carrots.
Photographer
Christopher Hartman
Posts: 54196
Buena Park, California, US
Ascension Imaging wrote:
Sexy has two syllables.
Just sayin' Photographers that correct other photographers.
Photographer
Christopher Hartman
Posts: 54196
Buena Park, California, US
Art of the nude wrote:
I haven't looked at your port, but how do you suggest a photographer find out if you're willing to shoot something that you've done before, other than ask? I don't think that is her point.
"take your bra off!"
"no, I don't want to do nudes."
"but you did nudes with bob!"
"Yes, but I don't feel like doing nudes."
"Come on!!! I'm a nice guy! what is so special about bob!"
Photographer
LLOYD WRIGHT
Posts: 664
Newcastle upon Tyne, England, United Kingdom
Eurocat wrote:
You don't know how I operate, dear, but go ahead and assume away.
In any other job one files grievance procedures, or brings shit up at a 'staff meeting'. No such thing here.
This IS the staff meeting.
Best thing to do would be to sit and learn. And be graceful and grateful. maybe you could learn a thing or to about being graceful. when somebody is trying to be courteous just say no and leave at that. you don't have to whine in the "staff meeting" about someone being kind...NO MATTER HOW MISPLACED THEIR EFFORTS ARE ! LOVE.
Model
Dea and the Beast
Posts: 4796
Saint Petersburg, Florida, US
LLOYD WRIGHT wrote:
maybe you could learn a thing or to about being graceful. when somebody is trying to be courteous just say no and leave at that. you don't have to whine in the "staff meeting" about someone being kind...NO MATTER HOW MISPLACED THEIR EFFORTS ARE ! LOVE. I am very sorry, I honestly have no idea what you are talking about.
The 'sit and learn' was not aimed at you, I apologize for the bad phrasing.
Edit:
After some soul searching and re-reading posts, I do know what:
I said I get frustrated when , after I REPEATEDLY politely decline the offer of food (which is basically stalling, and not being courteous), they still go on 'not even an apple?' 'not even this' 'not even that'.
Photographer
Art of the nude
Posts: 12067
Grand Rapids, Michigan, US
White Lace Studios wrote:
I've been given several 'interesting' reasons to cancel a job. But the Model "calling in Fat"? hartcons wrote:
i had one model say "please photoshop out my tummy" i was like "i would if i could find it!" Just to clarify, since this was inspired by my shoot, the model in question was 5'8" and 120 lbs, and looked great. (We shot a few weeks later.)
Photographer
Christopher Hartman
Posts: 54196
Buena Park, California, US
LLOYD WRIGHT wrote:
maybe you could learn a thing or to about being graceful. when somebody is trying to be courteous just say no and leave at that. you don't have to whine in the "staff meeting" about someone being kind...NO MATTER HOW MISPLACED THEIR EFFORTS ARE ! LOVE. This thread is about what annoying things photographers do. If you're going to complain about people actually participating in the premise of the thread...well I just don't understand what the problem is...
Photographer
LLOYD WRIGHT
Posts: 664
Newcastle upon Tyne, England, United Kingdom
Eurocat wrote:
I am very sorry, I honestly have no idea what you are talking about.
The 'sit and learn' was not aimed at you, I apologize for the bad phrasing. you're right i do need to learn..apology excepted and i do like your work too!.x
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