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Model

Dea and the Beast

Posts: 4796

Saint Petersburg, Florida, US

This is a thread derived from the 'annoying things models do' bit in the 'other' forum.

This is about model's pet peeves, not horror storries about rape and molestation.

Original post edit
This thread is old as dirt.
deadhorse
I do not know why or how it got resurrected.

We all live and (hopefully) learn, please be kind and consider the time that has passed between now and almost two years ago

Also, no need to grovel, specially not into my inbox.

People are people are people.

We are all different.

Specially in the arts I would assume that artists and fellow awkward people with their little eccentrisms and  idiosyncrasies were more open to others being just as weird.

Or not wanting to be touched.
Or not wanting to be spoken to like a girlfriend/boyfriend/a familiar.

The hobbyists will never have the same issues as the folks who photograph for a living and have production issues and deadlines.

The traveling models will never have the same issues as the Agency girls.

This was meant to spark some positive interaction, not a form upheaval over what is and isn't a 'real' or 'proper' photographer/model,  nor the behavior that goes with either.

Can't we all just get along? This used to be fun. Now one must censor one's every breath, or one runs the danger of being forever shunned from the ranks of all that is good and photogenic.

I has a sad. sad

Apr 10 12 01:56 pm Link

Model

Miss AY

Posts: 8166

Bulqizë, Bulqizë, Albania

Sets my teeth on edge to have to listen to rants about other models re: flaking, nudity, no nudity, "porn", escorts, punctuality, tattoos, breast implants, hair color, etc etc...
especially when they end up trash talking girls I'm friends with. That's a one-way ticket to my "never work with again" list.

Apr 10 12 02:19 pm Link

Photographer

Jason Haven

Posts: 38381

Washington, District of Columbia, US

*doesn't offer the OP my famous cookies*

Apr 10 12 02:22 pm Link

Model

Uber Dami

Posts: 5551

New Haven, Connecticut, US

when they ask about my personal life ex. am i in a relationship, where do i work, etc.  i get it's small talk to break the ice, but let's keep it simple shall we? i don't like to discuss my personal life with anyone as it is, especially not on the job.

Apr 10 12 02:25 pm Link

Model

Dea and the Beast

Posts: 4796

Saint Petersburg, Florida, US

ASYLUM - Photo wrote:
*doesn't offer the OP my famous cookies*

Come here and say that to my face. (OP aka cookie monster was not aware photographers elsewhere offered sugar to models...)

Apr 10 12 02:35 pm Link

Photographer

Photographe

Posts: 2351

Bristol, England, United Kingdom

What annoys me about some photographers is the language they use...

Shot a model. Shoot a model.

Capture.

Commenting on swimwear/glamour with monosyllabic comments like "Wow Sexy".

"Do you have a boyfriend?"

Talking about equipment like it's going to solve their issues.

What annoys me the most is when someone advocates a working practice that clearly is not industry-standard, to the point where they will https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-iw5TaUpM1OI/AAAAAAAAAAI/AAAAAAAAABg/oWjr6XtVW8o/s120-c/photo.jpg the person correctly stating the law or the working practice and once proven incorrect, simply are rude.

Apr 10 12 02:35 pm Link

Photographer

Ascension Imaging

Posts: 267

Sarasota, Florida, US

Rollo David Snook wrote:
Commenting on swimwear/glamour with monosyllabic comments like "Wow Sexy".

Sexy has two syllables.

Just sayin'

Apr 10 12 02:41 pm Link

Photographer

Jason Haven

Posts: 38381

Washington, District of Columbia, US

Eurocat wrote:

Come here and say that to my face. (OP aka cookie monster was not aware photographers elsewhere offered sugar to models...)

Hehehehe big_smile

Apr 10 12 02:46 pm Link

Photographer

PTPhotoUT

Posts: 1961

Salt Lake City, Utah, US

I hope more models chime in on this, so I can correct any annoying behaviors.

Apr 10 12 02:51 pm Link

Photographer

FrancisXavier

Posts: 43

San Diego, California, US

When working with Eurocat, always offer a cold glass of water and after the shoot, send her home with chocolate.  That is what will make her want to work with you again!

Apr 10 12 02:53 pm Link

Model

Dea and the Beast

Posts: 4796

Saint Petersburg, Florida, US

PTPhotoUT wrote:
I hope more models chime in on this, so I can correct any annoying behaviors.

Don't worry, I'll come out there and 'correct' your behavior!!! wink

Apr 10 12 03:00 pm Link

Model

Dea and the Beast

Posts: 4796

Saint Petersburg, Florida, US

FrancisXavier wrote:
When working with Eurocat, always offer a cold glass of water and after the shoot, send her home with chocolate.  That is what will make her want to work with you again!

*munches chocolate*


Correct!

Edit:
Eurocat commends you on your excellent taste in chocolates, and the courtesy to ask preferences!

Apr 10 12 03:00 pm Link

Photographer

PHOTOS BY DILLEN

Posts: 616

Cartersville, Georgia, US

Über Dami wrote:
when they ask about my personal life ex. am i in a relationship, where do i work, etc.  i get it's small talk to break the ice, but let's keep it simple shall we? i don't like to discuss my personal life with anyone as it is, especially not on the job.

become a nun ...then nobody will care,,,, damn those photographers for trying to be friendly

Apr 10 12 03:03 pm Link

Photographer

James Andrew Imagery

Posts: 6713

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Über Dami wrote:
when they ask about my personal life ex. am i in a relationship, where do i work, etc.  i get it's small talk to break the ice, but let's keep it simple shall we? i don't like to discuss my personal life with anyone as it is, especially not on the job.

I guess you would immediately read as interesting to a lot of people.  SO they wanna know all that stuff. 

I'd think asking if you had a boyfriend would be weird though.  A little too personal.

Apr 10 12 03:04 pm Link

Model

LizzyB

Posts: 2225

Rochester, New York, US

i find it annoying when they push the boundaries of my comfort zone...especially when they 'argue' that i have certain pics in my port, so i should shoot such things with them as well

and well i may not mind hearing model stories, i am less than impressed when they are b*tching about a friend of mine

Apr 10 12 03:06 pm Link

Model

Uber Dami

Posts: 5551

New Haven, Connecticut, US

PHOTOS BY DILLEN wrote:

become a nun ...then nobody will care,,,, damn those photographers for trying to be friendly

cute sarcasm there.  what i was trying to say was when they dig too far personally.  it's fine to ask what my style is about, questions about my piercings, things i do for fun etc.  but asking if im seeing someone is a bit personal and asking where i work is personal, asking what i do for a living is better.

Apr 10 12 03:06 pm Link

Photographer

Art of the nude

Posts: 12067

Grand Rapids, Michigan, US

Über Dami wrote:
when they ask about my personal life ex. am i in a relationship, where do i work, etc.  i get it's small talk to break the ice, but let's keep it simple shall we? i don't like to discuss my personal life with anyone as it is, especially not on the job.

This makes perfect sense, but if you've had a few messages that start out "my boyfriend says you can't . . ."  you get a bit concerned. 

And, of course, sometimes it's just being sociable.

Apr 10 12 03:07 pm Link

Model

Dea and the Beast

Posts: 4796

Saint Petersburg, Florida, US

James Ogilvie wrote:
I'd think asking if you had a boyfriend would be weird though.  A little too personal.

Although I assume that question is being uttered mainly to then go on to ask if the bf is okay 'with you doing this'.

I am being asked a lot if my husband knows, although sometimes I don't understand why. How would I get my stuff ready, disappear for hours or days, and come back with a  wad of money? How do you expect to hide a thing like that?

Apr 10 12 03:08 pm Link

Photographer

Art of the nude

Posts: 12067

Grand Rapids, Michigan, US

Lizzy Borden wrote:
i find it annoying when they push the boundaries of my comfort zone...especially when they 'argue' that i have certain pics in my port, so i should shoot such things with them as well

I haven't looked at your port, but how do you suggest a photographer find out if you're willing to shoot something that you've done before, other than ask?

Apr 10 12 03:09 pm Link

Photographer

JashManuel

Posts: 644

Manila, National Capital Region, Philippines

I guess it must be annoying to some when I get my mojo on. Yeah baby!

Apr 10 12 03:09 pm Link

Model

Dea and the Beast

Posts: 4796

Saint Petersburg, Florida, US

JashManuel wrote:
I guess it must be annoying to some when I get my mojo on. Yeah baby!

Care to elaborate on your mojo? I am curious now...

Apr 10 12 03:10 pm Link

Model

Jessie Shannon

Posts: 2004

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

When they call themselves "shooters"  LOL I dont know why but it just sounds funny like "howdy partner"  big_smile  big_smile tongue

Apr 10 12 03:11 pm Link

Model

Dea and the Beast

Posts: 4796

Saint Petersburg, Florida, US

Art of the nude wrote:

I haven't looked at your port, but how do you suggest a photographer find out if you're willing to shoot something that you've done before, other than ask?

I totally get it, they may ask all they want, but just because there's some spread stuff in my port, doesn't mean I will bare my kitty for just anyone. Only the worthy will see my innermost.

Apr 10 12 03:12 pm Link

Model

Ivanafox

Posts: 979

Healesville, Victoria, Australia

I'm pretty easy to get along with so there's really only 3 things that annoy me:

*Contacts you about doing a TF shit-for-giggles shoot then discusses it to death and never commits to a date. I could understand if they were trying to organise an Elephant or diamond encrusted dresses for the shoot but it's always my outfits, thier backyard, no concept so there's not months of discussing needed.
*Suggests a vague date for a shoot (eg next Friday) then vanishes.
*Ignores my requests for images as promised after a TF shoot.

You could maybe add ringing me half an hour before a shoot to make sure I'm coming even though I sent a message the night before confirming all details (I'm usually driving to the shoot and can't answer it anyway). It makes me feel like they think I'm flakey and unreliable and I feel insulted. But having said that I understand many models are flakey and unreliable and on the last few shoots I send a text when I leave home and if I wake them because I usually have a lot of travel time- too bad!

Apr 10 12 03:12 pm Link

Photographer

BrandonLuong

Posts: 1016

Los Angeles, California, US

haha I've been told I bring weird food. I get everything from the health food store across the street so its always these weird vedgie chips and organic juices. I guess people arent a fan but oh well.

Apr 10 12 03:27 pm Link

Photographer

BrandonLuong

Posts: 1016

Los Angeles, California, US

haha I've been told I bring weird food. I get everything from the health food store across the street so its always these weird vedgie chips and organic juices. I guess people arent a fan but oh well.

Apr 10 12 03:28 pm Link

Photographer

JashManuel

Posts: 644

Manila, National Capital Region, Philippines

Eurocat wrote:

Care to elaborate on your mojo? I am curious now...

I've been told that I can get almost bipolar during shoots. Effusive one second, silent the next, irritated then back to ecstatic all over again.

Apr 10 12 03:32 pm Link

Photographer

Art of the nude

Posts: 12067

Grand Rapids, Michigan, US

Art of the nude wrote:
I haven't looked at your port, but how do you suggest a photographer find out if you're willing to shoot something that you've done before, other than ask?

Eurocat wrote:
I totally get it, they may ask all they want, but just because there's some spread stuff in my port, doesn't mean I will bare my kitty for just anyone. Only the worthy will see my innermost.

That's your choice.  I'm just confused by the phrasing I quoted above.  I'm not interested in "pushing" someone to do what they aren't comfortable with.  But, in most cases, I AM interested in working with the whole range that a model does want to shoot.

Ironically, at the moment, I'm trying to work around the fact that the model refuses to shoot NON NUDE.  big_smile

Apr 10 12 03:33 pm Link

Photographer

Art of the nude

Posts: 12067

Grand Rapids, Michigan, US

Ivanafox wrote:
You could maybe add ringing me half an hour before a shoot to make sure I'm coming even though I sent a message the night before confirming all details (I'm usually driving to the shoot and can't answer it anyway). It makes me feel like they think I'm flakey and unreliable and I feel insulted. But having said that I understand many models are flakey and unreliable and on the last few shoots I send a text when I leave home and if I wake them because I usually have a lot of travel time- too bad!

I've had AT LEAST a dozen models not show up after confirming the day before.  A month ago, I got a text asking for the address again three hours before the shoot, and one hour before, another saying "I decided not to come."  Confirming the day of the shoot is standard.  I wish it wasn't necessary.

Apr 10 12 03:35 pm Link

Model

Laura BrokenDoll

Posts: 3566

Modena, Emilia-Romagna, Italy

I HATE when, after doing a test/TFCD shooting with a photographer, he starts to display and publish the images before sending 'em to me.

I know, I've signed a release and I'm true when I say you I won't need to give you a further permission.
It's just that it was me that woke up early, took a train and worked hard 'till late - not your facebook friends or the fellow MMers. And I deserve to get the proof our our labour way before all the others.
>__<


Augustine York wrote:
Sets my teeth on edge to have to listen to rants about other models re: flaking, nudity, no nudity, "porn", escorts, punctuality, tattoos, breast implants, hair color, etc etc...
especially when they end up trash talking girls I'm friends with. That's a one-way ticket to my "never work with again" list.

+1
And lately, this is starting to happen even when I forget my facebook chat on: local photographers contacting me "just to chat" and ending up trashing other girls I know. WTF?! First and foremost, how do you know they aren't my friends? And then, what are you trying to achieve?
If a photographer want to be sure to never have me asking for a shooting, he should just go down this road!

Apr 10 12 03:39 pm Link

Photographer

D Alberto Photography

Posts: 117

Nashville, Tennessee, US

Eurocat wrote:
It is a pet peeve of mine, when the photographer keeps wanting to feed me, (upon a wrapped set, before I get ready to leave), although I repeatedly said "No, thank you."  "I am ocd about my diet." " I appreciate the effort, but I am good." "I don't eat this or that, but thank you." "I am really not hungry."

I understand that in most it's not just about the hospitality thing, and good manners, but a little father complex. "Must feed starving child."

Oh oh, well, that explains a lot!  I frequently ask if they'd like something to eat (because I'm always hungry, unfortunately for my pants waistline).  I don't think I push it, though --- at least I hope not.  My Pacific Islander background associates being a good "host" with throwing lots of food at the "guest".  It's not my fault!

Apr 10 12 03:41 pm Link

Model

MelissaAnn

Posts: 3971

Seattle, Washington, US

When they have terrible breath and BO.  Wish some of them would at least take a shower, brush their teeth and put on some deodorant....especially when they insist on having really close chats between every set.

When they take every opportunity to constantly brag and name-drop.

When they act embarrassed when I take off my clothes.  It's only uncomfortable when they make it uncomfortable.

When they give zero feedback about how the shoot is going. No "great" or "that was beautiful" or "try loosening up", just nothing but the click of the camera.  It's unnerving (for me anyway). 

When they badmouth other models.

I love being offered food *after* a shoot.  I'm usually starving.

Apr 10 12 03:41 pm Link

Photographer

Farenell Photography

Posts: 18832

Albany, New York, US

Eurocat wrote:
I totally get it, they may ask all they want, but just because there's some spread stuff in my port, doesn't mean I will bare my kitty for just anyone. Only the worthy will see my innermost.

It still begs the question, how is that photographer supposed to know what you are & are not willing to do if they don't ask?

Apr 10 12 03:43 pm Link

Filmmaker

ByeBye100000

Posts: 3548

Los Angeles, California, US

Eurocat wrote:
This is a thread derived from the 'annoying things llamas do' bit in the 'other' forum.

This is about llama's pet peeves, not horror storries about rape and molestation.

I go first:

It is a pet peeve of mine, when the photographer keeps wanting to feed me, (upon a wrapped set, before I get ready to leave), although I repeatedly said "No, thank you."  "I am ocd about my diet." " I appreciate the effort, but I am good." "I don't eat this or that, but thank you." "I am really not hungry."

I understand that in most it's not just about the hospitality thing, and good manners, but a little father complex. "Must feed starving child."

Really, you are sweet, but please don't make me explain my whole issue about why I don't eat certain things, we'll be there for another hour.


Edit: I'd love a glass of water, all the time, every time. Please and thank you.

That's more of a bonus to the llama offered by the tog. Some don't pay alot but offering food is like offering gas money, wardrobe, MUA also. Just an added perk.

Apr 10 12 03:47 pm Link

Photographer

Faulty Focus

Posts: 696

Kamloops, British Columbia, Canada

Eurocat wrote:

*munches chocolate*


Correct!

Edit:
Eurocat commends you on your excellent taste in chocolates, and the courtesy to ask preferences!

Thank you for reminding me that I have a box of Belgium that I squirreled away at Christmas.  I just had the "Brugge", dark chocolate filled with creamy caramel and Grand Marnier.  :-D    HHmmm yummy.

I will start sharing these with my model friends, along with a glass of water.

Apr 10 12 03:52 pm Link

Photographer

Jason Haven

Posts: 38381

Washington, District of Columbia, US

MelissaAnn  wrote:
When they have terrible breath and BO.  Wish some of them would at least take a shower, brush their teeth and put on some deodorant....especially when they insist on having really close chats between every set.

When they take every opportunity to constantly brag and name-drop.

When they act embarrassed when I take off my clothes.  It's only uncomfortable when they make it uncomfortable.

When they give zero feedback about how the shoot is going. No "great" or "that was beautiful" or "try loosening up", just nothing but the click of the camera.  It's unnerving (for me anyway). 

When they badmouth other models.

I love being offered food *after* a shoot.  I'm usually starving.

*takes notes*

Apr 10 12 03:56 pm Link

Model

Kam Arose

Posts: 6014

Berkeley, California, US

Flake.

Touch me without asking.

Try to trick me into working for significantly longer than we agreed upon without paying anything additional. I'll work overtime if I have the time for it, but I expect to be paid for it, kay?

Getting overly flirtatious. If you think I'm cute, I'm flattered. A few compliments or whatever is fine. But there is a limit to what is appropriate.

Overly personal questions/comments. The fact that I am a nudie model is not an invitation for you to ask awkward questions about my sex life while we shoot (or during breaks).

In general, I'm pretty easygoing and easy to work with, though. So long as you're polite to me, I love working with all sorts of eccentric artists. Most of the photographers and artists I work with are fabulous people.

Apr 10 12 03:57 pm Link

Model

Kam Arose

Posts: 6014

Berkeley, California, US

Lizzy Borden wrote:
i find it annoying when they push the boundaries of my comfort zone...especially when they 'argue' that i have certain pics in my port, so i should shoot such things with them as well

Art of the nude wrote:
I haven't looked at your port, but how do you suggest a photographer find out if you're willing to shoot something that you've done before, other than ask?

"Argue" and "ask" are different things.

Apr 10 12 04:00 pm Link

Model

Rachel_Elizabeth_22

Posts: 388

Birmingham, England, United Kingdom

I love anyone who brings food to a shoot, i always bring my own aswell though. I eat alot lol ^_^

but yea i had a tog ring me constantly on the morning making sure i wasnt gonna flake. Was pretty annoying o_0

Apr 10 12 04:11 pm Link

Model

Kam Arose

Posts: 6014

Berkeley, California, US

Miss Rachel Elizabeth wrote:
but yea i had a tog ring me constantly on the morning making sure i wasnt gonna flake. Was pretty annoying o_0

Oof. I've had a photographer call me at 4 AM once. NOT COOL.

Pro tip, guys: don't do that.

Apr 10 12 04:15 pm Link