Forums > General Industry > I was actually told this by a model.

Photographer

Danny Barson

Posts: 60

Mansfield, England, United Kingdom

I have been talking to a model about a outdoor shoot planned next week, and I said I only normally use natural lighting in my shots, and use of reflectors, and this was the reply I got...
"ok but you cannot get good photos with natural ligt its basic photo  actually"
So guess Im not working with him then.

Jun 30 12 01:22 pm Link

Photographer

B R U N E S C I

Posts: 25319

Bath, England, United Kingdom

NEXT!




Just my $0.02

Ciao
Stefano
www.stefanobrunesci.com

Jun 30 12 01:24 pm Link

Photographer

Orca Bay Images

Posts: 32233

Woodinville, Washington, US

Be grateful, OP. You got saved the trouble of working with a complete idiot.

Jun 30 12 01:26 pm Link

Photographer

Mike Adams Photos

Posts: 1217

Cleveland, Ohio, US

Yup, be thankful.

Jun 30 12 01:27 pm Link

Model

Dani Vespa

Posts: 309

New York, New York, US

I'm not an expert in photography in the least, but I know enough to trust someone that does. And that sentence they wrote to you didn't even make sense...

This was done in natural light, indoors with the light coming through a window (no reflectors, lights, etc...I'm almost positive. It was a month ago though so there might have been a reflector. But still. I'm trying to prove your point):

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/120610/18/4fd5446f2d1d2_m.jpg

Jun 30 12 01:29 pm Link

Model

Jen B

Posts: 3183

Hopkinsville, Kentucky, US

Dannyb66 wrote:
I have been talking to a llama about a outdoor shoot planned next week, and I said I only normally use natural lighting in my shots, and use of reflectors, and this was the reply I got...
"ok but you cannot get good photos with natural ligt its basic photo  actually"
So guess Im not working with him then.

I guess you could work with him if you really wanted to...knowing that he doesn't know that indoor light is a weak attempt at imitating natural outdoor light. wink
Jen
p.s. edit to add a picture that was shot outdoors, with only a reflector, as it was February and at dusk http://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pi … 2#28415742

Jun 30 12 01:31 pm Link

Photographer

Danny Barson

Posts: 60

Mansfield, England, United Kingdom

Dani Vespa wrote:
I'm not an expert in photography in the least, but I know enough to trust someone that does. And that sentence they wrote to you didn't even make sense...

This was done in natural light, indoors with the light coming through a window (no reflectors, lights, etc...I'm almost positive. It was a month ago though so there might have been a reflector. But still. I'm trying to prove your point):

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/120610/18/4fd5446f2d1d2_m.jpg

Jun 30 12 01:32 pm Link

Photographer

Farenell Photography

Posts: 18130

Albany, New York, US

Orca Bay Images wrote:
Be grateful, OP. You got saved the trouble of working with a complete idiot.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/semi234/Nuff20Said.jpg

Jun 30 12 01:32 pm Link

Model

Jordan Bunniie

Posts: 1693

Los Angeles, California, US

lol

Jun 30 12 01:32 pm Link

Photographer

Danny Barson

Posts: 60

Mansfield, England, United Kingdom

Dannyb66 wrote:

Sorry will try that again. lol

Thanks for that, and a beautiful shot it is, thanks for sharing

Jun 30 12 01:33 pm Link

Photographer

Renato Alberto

Posts: 901

San Francisco, California, US

I agree with most everyone here. You should be so thankful of the hassel you saved yourself..

Jun 30 12 01:34 pm Link

Photographer

M Pandolfo Photography

Posts: 12116

Tampa, Florida, US

Dannyb66 wrote:
I have been talking to a llama about a outdoor shoot planned next week, and I said I only normally use natural lighting in my shots, and use of reflectors, and this was the reply I got...
"ok but you cannot get good photos with natural ligt its basic photo  actually"
So guess Im not working with him then.

I was going to dispute what that person responded until I saw they said "actually." I mean, if they say "actually" that makes the preceding statement a matter of fact.

Perhaps the llama has been watching too much True Blood?

Jun 30 12 01:42 pm Link

Model

Dani Vespa

Posts: 309

New York, New York, US

Dannyb66 wrote:

Sorry will try that again. lol

Thanks for that, and a beautiful shot it is, thanks for sharing

Thank you! In my opinion, it's always best to be around those who show a desire to learn and defer to the ones with the knowledge. That's how I do it...

Jun 30 12 01:42 pm Link

Photographer

Lumatic

Posts: 13750

Brooklyn, New York, US

Shoulda told him, "Well, the best photographers use no light at all!"

Jun 30 12 01:45 pm Link

Model

J Jessica

Posts: 2330

Palm Beach Gardens, Florida, US

Dannyb66 wrote:
I have been talking to a model about a outdoor shoot planned next week, and I said I only normally use natural lighting in my shots, and use of reflectors, and this was the reply I got...
"ok but you cannot get good photos with natural ligt its basic photo  actually"
So guess Im not working with him then.

I actually prefer natural afternoon/evening light.
hmm
It seems less harsh to me.
Lots of good photos can be obtained from such lighting.

Tell her that you'd like to test shoot and see if she likes the outcome.

Jun 30 12 01:46 pm Link

Photographer

Danny Barson

Posts: 60

Mansfield, England, United Kingdom

J Jessica  wrote:

I actually prefer natural afternoon/evening light.
hmm
It seems less harsh to me.
Lots of good photos can be obtained from such lighting.

Tell her that you'd like to test shoot and see if she likes the outcome.

Evening and early morning when the sun is rising or setting are called 'the golden hours' for a reason. Thanks for your input. xx

Jun 30 12 01:54 pm Link

Photographer

Daniel Arouchian

Posts: 185

Montreal, Quebec, Canada

move on! Obviously she has no clue what she's talking about

Jun 30 12 02:08 pm Link

Photographer

DOUGLASFOTOS

Posts: 8452

Los Angeles, California, US

Models, model. Photographers, Photograph.


Except one picture in my own port...I used lights over a bed, everything else...is natural lighting..and no reflectors.

Jun 30 12 02:13 pm Link

Photographer

WIP

Posts: 15543

Cheltenham, England, United Kingdom

Maybe the op should direct the model to Neil Kirks port, one of UK best natural light photographers also works a lot in the States.

http://www.patriciamcmahon.com/lightbox … l&start=57

Click on photographers and select Neil Kirk.

Jun 30 12 02:16 pm Link

Model

Kyleigh Sun

Posts: 19

Sacramento, California, US

That is by far the stupidest thing I've ever heard, the best light is natural light. Indor lighting is used to try to imitate natural light! This model is either really stupid or just started modeling like yesterday lol

Jun 30 12 02:17 pm Link

Photographer

Personal Photograph

Posts: 245

Davenport, Iowa, US

No cure for stupid.

Jun 30 12 02:17 pm Link

Photographer

Dominic Dean

Posts: 281

London, England, United Kingdom

I use natural light on location, all the time and have never used reflectors, sometimes fill in flash. Models are entitled to their opinion but in this case theyre wrong

Jun 30 12 02:18 pm Link

Photographer

CSDewitt Photo

Posts: 608

Atlanta, Georgia, US

Kyleigh Erin wrote:
That is by far the stupidest thing I've ever heard, the best light is natural light. Indor lighting is used to try to imitate natural light! This model is either really stupid or just started modeling like yesterday lol

+1 So true!!!!

Jun 30 12 02:25 pm Link

Photographer

Mirror With A Memory

Posts: 287

New York, New York, US

I  feel if you like me you do me a favor, if you don't then you do me two favors.

Jun 30 12 02:31 pm Link

Photographer

STL-After-Dark

Posts: 4383

Saint Louis, Missouri, US

Trailerpark DIVA ... she was too good for your simple ways hmm

Jun 30 12 02:35 pm Link

Photographer

Ken Marcus Studios

Posts: 8492

Los Angeles, California, US

Personal Photograph wrote:
No cure for stupid.

Education ? ?


What would it have hurt to explain things to the model ?

Jun 30 12 02:35 pm Link

Photographer

Eros Fine Art Photo

Posts: 2600

Torrance, California, US

Damn...all my shots are natural light AND I don't even use a reflector.  Guess I'm relegated to being a "basic photographer".  lol

Jun 30 12 02:36 pm Link

Photographer

Chuckarelei

Posts: 9562

Seattle, Washington, US

Kyleigh Erin wrote:
That is by far the stupidest thing I've ever heard, the best light is natural light. Indor lighting is used to try to imitate natural light! This model is either really stupid or just started modeling like yesterday lol

Are you sure?

Jun 30 12 02:39 pm Link

Photographer

Danny Barson

Posts: 60

Mansfield, England, United Kingdom

Ken Marcus Studios wrote:

Education ? ?


What would it have hurt to explain things to the model ?

I have been trying, and still am trying, but he is having none of it. He obviously feels he knows more than me about lighting a model, and this has been one of his replies..."yes i understand what you mean natural ligt is important but you need to use other extra light to expose and highlight particular parts "
So with someone like this, I think I'm losing the will.

Jun 30 12 02:40 pm Link

Photographer

Innovative Imagery

Posts: 2815

Los Angeles, California, US

Kyleigh Erin wrote:
That is by far the stupidest thing I've ever heard, the best light is natural light. Indor lighting is used to try to imitate natural light! This model is either really stupid or just started modeling like yesterday lol

You only say this because you have never seen good indoor light.  smile  LOL  It all seriousness, the "best" light is the light that works and gives you the look you want.  A good guy with strobes can do just as well as a guy with natural light, unless he is trying to light the Grand Canyon.

By the way the OP's model was a guy !

Jun 30 12 02:42 pm Link

Photographer

Lumatic

Posts: 13750

Brooklyn, New York, US

Kyleigh Erin wrote:
That is by far the stupidest thing I've ever heard, the best light is natural light. Indor lighting is used to try to imitate natural light! This model is either really stupid or just started modeling like yesterday lol

Actually, neither is better.  Light is light.  The only difference is how you influence and capture it.

The image is what matters.

Jun 30 12 02:43 pm Link

Photographer

Innovative Imagery

Posts: 2815

Los Angeles, California, US

Dannyb66 wrote:

I have been trying, and still am trying, but he is having none of it. He obviously feels he knows more than me about lighting a model, and this has been one of his replies..."yes i understand what you mean natural ligt is important but you need to use other extra light to expose and highlight particular parts "
So with someone like this, I think I'm losing the will.

I think he may be responding that on a few of your shots, you have exceeded the dynamic range of the sensor and it doesn't match his view as to what it should look like.

Jun 30 12 02:44 pm Link

Photographer

Innovative Imagery

Posts: 2815

Los Angeles, California, US

double post

Jun 30 12 02:44 pm Link

Photographer

Marc Rosebeck

Posts: 2281

Albany, New York, US

Dannyb66 wrote:
I have been talking to a model about a outdoor shoot planned next week, and I said I only normally use natural lighting in my shots, and use of reflectors, and this was the reply I got...
"ok but you cannot get good photos with natural ligt its basic photo  actually"
So guess Im not working with him then.

my port is all natural light,not the best, not too bad though, the guy your talking to is a complete idiot without
a doubt.

Jun 30 12 02:59 pm Link

Photographer

J I M

Posts: 524

New York, New York, US

Personal Photograph wrote:
No cure for stupid.

True, but if the yahoo the OP is talking about became a moron, at least it would be a step up...

EDIT: after reading ken's reply above ('to educate'), I thought I might have been too harsh. But I think my reaction to the situation would be that the llama wasn't ill-informed, he was arrogant.

Jun 30 12 03:07 pm Link

Photographer

Neil Snape

Posts: 9473

Paris, Île-de-France, France

While some may treat natural light as reality , it makes for an excellent diversion when treated in new ways. Most all of what I have done lately is all natural light.

Jun 30 12 03:08 pm Link

Photographer

WIP

Posts: 15543

Cheltenham, England, United Kingdom

Ken Marcus Studios wrote:

Education ? ?


What would it have hurt to explain things to the model ?

Why ?

Jun 30 12 03:08 pm Link

Model

LizzyB

Posts: 2199

Rochester, New York, US

c_h_r_i_s wrote:

Why ?

why not? knowledge is power wink

granted it would be a PIA to work with such an "idiot," but i  guess that would be a moot point if otherwise the model had a fabulous look tongue

Jun 30 12 03:18 pm Link

Photographer

RogerLeonPhoto

Posts: 297

Tucson, Arizona, US

LOL.  Some of my best shots were taken while drinking Natural Light Beer!!  It's delicious and cheap!

Jun 30 12 03:24 pm Link

Photographer

WIP

Posts: 15543

Cheltenham, England, United Kingdom

Ok Lizzy, so could you give us this knowledge ?

Jun 30 12 03:28 pm Link