MelissaAnn  wrote:
For the same reason models do TFP for images that aren't 18+.

To build a portfolio of great 18+ images, so they are more likely to get hired for 18+ projects.

Some like shooting 18+ nude images simply for the art, and don't do it for the money.

Is this hard to believe or something?

+1

Good Egg Productions wrote:
For the same reason they do NON 18+ TFP.


What are you having an issue with, specifically?

I've been getting paid to shoot nudes for 5 years, but now since so many models are willing to de robe for free, it's getting more difficult to continue finding work.

SweetGirlyGirl wrote:
This is for the models.
Why are so many models doing 18+ shoots for TFP?

So you think that a model should automatically be paid because of nudity?

Wolfy4u wrote:
I think that one of the best reasons for doing TF projects is to have a shoot were
1/2 of the photos are for the model and 1/2 of the photos are for the photographer. If the photographer wants nudes and the model wants beauty shots, they can both achieve what they need by helping each other.
I keep seeing this attitude that every photo in the shoot has to be useful to the model or she shouldn't agree to the shoot. This makes no sense to me. If every photo is valuable, that's even better, but the goal should be that each person gains what they need and they give what the other person needs in return.

I agree with you on that. A lot of times when I'm paid for a shoot, I don't get any images, or any edited images.

SweetGirlyGirl wrote:
This is for the models.
Why are so many models doing 18+ shoots for TFP?

Why does anybody do tf?
The amount of skin you are showing doesn't automatically make it a paid shoot.

SweetGirlyGirl wrote:

I've been getting paid to shoot nudes for 5 years, but now since so many models are willing to de robe for free, it's getting more difficult to continue finding work.

Are you sure TFP is running away business? Might there be other issues or perceptions that might cause photographers to work with someone else?

SweetGirlyGirl wrote:
I've been getting paid to shoot nudes for 5 years, but now since so many models are willing to de robe for free, it's getting more difficult to continue finding work.

Maybe time to do some TF yourself, and increase the quality of your port.  (I haven't looked at your port, but even experienced nude models will often TF with exceptional photographers).

I get paid to shoot nudes too, but it's the TF that always increases the value of my port.....and then I get even more paid offers.

If I never did nude TF, my port would not be nearly as good.

TF is not working for free, it really pays off (if you choose to do it with the right photographers).  You just have to take a longer term view of things. 

SweetGirlyGirl wrote:
This is for the models.
Why are so many models doing 18+ shoots for TFP?

Maybe because they...

- believe in the project

- find value in whatever it is they'll be getting in return

- think not every HAS TO be about money

SweetGirlyGirl wrote:
I've been getting paid to shoot nudes for 5 years, but now since so many models are willing to de robe for free, it's getting more difficult to continue finding work.

Well there's the problem; TFP isn't free it is an exchange of services. For example:

in exchange for posing for the bodyscape works, 18+ https://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/28721994 18+ https://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/27787099

I shot headshots and pinups 18 + http://www.redbubble.com/people/dagger1 … 342-pin-up for her port, No money changed hands but we both got value for our time and efforts, that is the basis of TFP. Neither of our time is with out value [FREE]

SweetGirlyGirl wrote:
This is for the models.
Why are so many models doing 18+ shoots for TFP?

Because I am not in it for the money.

Srefis Limited wrote:
For experience most likely.
One of my first nude models whom I was paying the rate she requested.. She kept saying "I don't know what I should do next." so half of the shoot was me striking a pose for her to mimic. I should have been charging her instead.

++this

OP there is someone in your neck of the woods who I couldn't afford to repay in the least for his generosity in shooting with me. I've listed him in my profile and regard him highly. He taught me so much!
Jen
p.s. gosh your profile is pretty harsh...ouch!!

SweetGirlyGirl wrote:
I've been getting paid to shoot nudes for 5 years, but now since so many models are willing to de robe for free, it's getting more difficult to continue finding work.

Somehow I think that other models looking to do TF work is costing you money is not logical. If they are shooting tf with photographers then those are photographers who are not necessarily looking to pay in the first place.

MelissaAnn  wrote:
For the same reason models do TFP for images that aren't 18+.

To build a portfolio of great 18+ images, so they are more likely to get hired for 18+ projects.

Some like shooting 18+ nude images simply for the art, and don't do it for the money.

Is this hard to believe or something?

*nods in agreement*

SweetGirlyGirl wrote:
I've been getting paid to shoot nudes for 5 years, but now since so many models are willing to de robe for free, it's getting more difficult to continue finding work.

Obviously, not everyone models Nude to make money.  I work with quite a few people that model Nude just for the creative outlet & process. 

As a matter of fact, most of the models found in this one of my ports did not charge me to model for the project.  I also have models in this port that model Nude as a full time job who will model Nude TFP for me on specific projects.

I am not completely sure why you think that other people modeling Nude is affecting you finding work.  Not everyone is involved in modeling and / or photography for money. 

I want to work with people based on there skills, body shape and particular look as a model and that like my style of art and concepts that will help enhance both of our portfolios.

SweetGirlyGirl wrote:
I've been getting paid to shoot nudes for 5 years, but now since so many models are willing to de robe for free, it's getting more difficult to continue finding work.

I belive what your trying to impress is that if an unexpieranced nude model is doing it for free they are takeing away your chances of getting good nude money. I have to tell you that is not the fact the fact is that any photographer no matter how unexpieranced the model is will always take the oppertunity  to work with a free model,

Bravo Magic Images wrote:

I belive what your trying to impress is that if an unexpieranced nude model is doing it for free they are takeing away your chances of getting good nude money. I have to tell you that is not the fact the fact is that any photographer no matter how unexpieranced the model is will alway take the oppertunity  to work with a free model,

unless what the photographer wants/needs is someone with experience. At which point you need to be able to show that you have experience worth paying for.

DVP Photography wrote:
Here it is real simple,  Whether a shoot is paid or TFP has nothing to do with how much or how little clothes a model is wearing.  No correlation!  There are lots of other factors that determine this, but I don't want to complicate the answer.

bullshit. The vast majority of paid shoots on MM are nude shoots. There is a strong correlation between nude shoots and paid shoots.

Laura UnBound wrote:

unless what the photographer wants/needs is someone with experience. At which point you need to be able to show that you have experience worth paying for.

+1

Dan K Photography wrote:

bullshit. The vast majority of paid shoots are nude shoots. There is a strong correlation between nude shoots and paid shoots.

Maybe in NY, in Colorado, no correlation.  Quality of the model is the most important consideration, not whether she gets nekkid.

Christinare wrote:
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Christinare - just a word of warning; MM don't take kindly to 'unsolicited critique'. Critique can only be given in the Critique Forums.

SweetGirlyGirl wrote:
I've been getting paid to shoot nudes for 5 years, but now since so many models are willing to de robe for free, it's getting more difficult to continue finding work.

Many models are willing to de robe for free. But not very many have a kick butt portfolio/resume to show for. Get yourself up to the next notch, build a strong portfolio/resume. then you don't have to worry about those models until they catch up with you.