Presley ONeil wrote:
This thread would definitely be just as long right now without her GIFs.

The GIFs are fun. Your jealousy isn't.

Jules NYC wrote:
Still can't believe people are calling Kate fat.

Giggly boobs or not.

Here's a photo (not a .gif) that she's not making you aware and or presenting to the masses that she has big, giggly boobs:P

Do they giggle like the Pillsbury doughboy when you poke them?

Andialu wrote:

Do they giggle like the Pillsbury doughboy when you poke them?

LOLOLOLOL!!!!!

That's what he said

IrisSwope wrote:
She does not look like a model at all. She looks like average woman.

This

Bare Essential Photos wrote:
Katie Upton is probably the most beautiful woman in the world right now. She may be curvy, but she's definitely NOT fat.

She is stunning, but this young lady is hotter...imho

London Fog wrote:
She is stunning, but this young lady is hotter...imho

Well, you do have good taste.

She is beautiful. Reminds me of Hazel.

IrisSwope wrote:
She does not look like a model at all. She looks like average woman.

+1

Bare Essential Photos wrote:
To London Fog --


Well, you do have good taste.

She is beautiful. Reminds me of Hazel.

I could watch this movie a thousand times just to see Amber over and over again! Oh..wait.....I already have!

Like to see Kate's boobs on Amber's body...talk about hybrid perfection!

Kincaid Blackwood wrote:
I'm so sick of Kate Uptown. It's fucking ridiculous. She needs to go sit down somewhere.

I mean, don't get me wrong. I think she has an amazing figure. A beautiful face with a smile that lights up a room. Those curves make a man weak in the knees. And her personality is so endearing. Total package.

But the way she constantly calls me, texts me, stalks me on the web, begging me to always have sex with her is just out of control. I roll over in bed and there's Kate just staring at me while I sleep, waiting on me to wake up so we can do it. I get up and go take a shower before heading out for the day and there she is again, asking me to "do her back." I'm out on a business lunch, get up and go to the restroom and there's Kate again, catching me in the hallway saying that she just wants 4 or 5 minutes (which always turns into 45 minutes). I get home from a long day and there she is in just an apron after having made my favorite dinner, trying to get into my pants through my stomach.

Gee-ziss, Kate Upton: sometimes I have to do me. Go do you. I can't always do you. Sorry I had to put her business out there like that, you guys, but you just can't imagine how annoying this amazingly gorgeous, funny, intelligent woman can be.

But I love watching her break it down. This gif needs to be seen again.

I hear ya, Kincaid. I have the same issue with Dean Johnson. But I think it's because my favorite shirt says, "I have free cocaine" and has my phone number.

Naughty Ties wrote:

I could watch this movie a thousand times just to see Amber over and over again! Oh..wait.....I already have!

Like to see Kate's boobs on Amber's body...talk about hybrid perfection!

No, a perfect hybrid combo would be Amber and Blake Lively fused! Oh wait, they could almost be twins anyway...!

K I C K H A M wrote:
I've never understood the Kate Upton thing. I thought she was pretty but nothing insane or special, very "regular girl," (and maybe that's why people like her so much?)

But I have to say, after all the dancey gifs, I'm kind of a fan.

MORE DANCING.

+1

IrisSwope wrote:
She does not look like a model at all. She looks like average woman.

I hardly think she looks like an average woman.



Have you really seen average americans recently?

Kincaid Blackwood wrote:
I'm so sick of Kate Uptown. It's fucking ridiculous. She needs to go sit down somewhere.

I mean, don't get me wrong. I think she has an amazing figure. A beautiful face with a smile that lights up a room. Those curves make a man weak in the knees. And her personality is so endearing. Total package.

But the way she constantly calls me, texts me, stalks me on the web, begging me to always have sex with her is just out of control. I roll over in bed and there's Kate just staring at me while I sleep, waiting on me to wake up so we can do it. I get up and go take a shower before heading out for the day and there she is again, asking me to "do her back." I'm out on a business lunch, get up and go to the restroom and there's Kate again, catching me in the hallway saying that she just wants 4 or 5 minutes (which always turns into 45 minutes). I get home from a long day and there she is in just an apron after having made my favorite dinner, trying to get into my pants through my stomach.

Gee-ziss, Kate Upton: sometimes I have to do me. Go do you. I can't always do you. Sorry I had to put her business out there like that, you guys, but you just can't imagine how annoying this amazingly gorgeous, funny, intelligent woman can be.

But I love watching her break it down. This gif needs to be seen again.

OMG now I hate her too!

dave phoenix wrote:
exaaaaaaaaaactly.

she doesn't have an hourglass shape or a well-defined waist.



i just don't think "ooh look bouncing boobies!" is a very strong counterpoint. oh well.

Shon D.- Homme wrote:
That cover is just GODAWFUL. Like... I cannot overstate how terrible that photo is.

I think she looks really cute in the gifs and on TV when she's in motion, but I don't really care for her in photos. (Though the SI photo is also not really lit wonderfully.)

I think that that cover is perfect for MM and the type of model that most photographers on MM would like to have on MM vs skinny boney fashion girls.


As far as lighting, well it allows everything to be seen that needs to be seen: like the ample breasts in too small a top spilling out over the sides of a size or two too small bikini top , a mane of long golden hair, side lighting so the breasts form a near circle which is (due to the invention of silicon) what many are used to seeing or associating what breasts should look like, a white but tanned body, a universe of tummy leading down to a very narrow piece of fabric hiding the boxed lunch at the Y.

As a glamour shot, it's well lit and I think it serves what it's intended to do well.


As a fashion shot, not so much.

IrisSwope wrote:
Oh come on!

I don't know who she is, but if she's a model, she's fat (in horrible shape, whatever).

If she's some random person who people are making popular for the sake of being popular, then whatever. but that's fat for a model.

This!

Kate Upton has a gorgeous face and below her boobs... she is indeed more an "average American woman"... and "skinny" by their standards...

udor wrote:
This!

Kate Upton has a gorgeous face and below her boobs... she is indeed more an "average American woman"... and "skinny" by their standards...

exactly.

Kate Upton is a hottie in the world of Hooters and Dallas Cowboy cheerleaders.  She's attainable in the sense that she looks kinda normal and fuckable and many average guys and girls can dream of either being her and/or screwing her.  She's not an alien compared to fashion models.

The truth is that most of the US is terribly obese and looks nothing like her but if we weren't such an obese nation, she's what lots of teenage girls could being to approach looking like (with proper diet, lighting, styling and makeup).

Patchouli Nyx wrote:
I hardly think she looks like an average woman.



Have you really seen average americans recently?

Definitely not. The average woman looks… well… average. She's a very attractive woman. If I saw her in any setting I'd think "Wow… she's hot." All these people who are like "Oh, she's not as pretty as this person or that." Come on. They just don't want to like her. She's very pretty. I don't see how people can even take that away from her.

She doesn't have the striking look of an outlier, as in being uncommonly and unattainably attractive but she has the stunning beauty that you feel like you might actually see in real life. I would expect to see a woman just that beautiful from any college sorority (there's always the one hottie of hotties that make people's jaws drop). I would expect to see a woman just that stunning as some successful attorney flirting with politics (there's always that one in each city). I would expect to see a woman or two just that gorgeous cheering for a sports team (there's always that one who make people say "You can't really dance but I don't even care").

And, you know, she's now a celebrity that many people are drawn to and brands are making that work for them. It's now different than having some actress in an ad or on a cover somewhere or in a swimsuit. She's far and away better looking than SJP.

So these haters (yes, Shon, I include you in this group) have their reasons for disliking her but why should she not be a swimsuit & video hotgirl who, through the cult of celebrity, gets some editorials? I'm pretty sure I saw T.I. in a GQ editorial and that motherfucker is shorter than many child models.

Kincaid Blackwood wrote:

Definitely not. The average woman looks… well… average. She's a very attractive woman. If I saw her in any setting I'd think "Wow… she's hot." All these people who are like "Oh, she's not as pretty as this person or that." Come on. They just don't want to like her. She's very pretty. I don't see how people can even take that away from her.

She doesn't have the striking look of an outlier, as in being uncommonly and unattainably attractive but she has the stunning beauty that you feel like you might actually see in real life. I would expect to see a woman just that beautiful from any college sorority (there's always the one hottie of hotties that make people's jaws drop). I would expect to see a woman just that stunning as some successful attorney flirting with politics (there's always that one in each city). I would expect to see a woman or two just that gorgeous cheering for a sports team (there's always that one who make people say "You can't really dance but I don't even care").

And, you know, she's now a celebrity that many people are drawn to and brands are making that work for them. It's now different than having some actress in an ad or on a cover somewhere or in a swimsuit. She's far and away better looking than SJP.

So these haters (yes, Shon, I include you in this group) have their reasons for disliking her but why should she not be a swimsuit & video hotgirl who, through the cult of celebrity, gets some editorials? I'm pretty sure I saw T.I. in a GQ editorial and that motherfucker is shorter than many child models.

Well, I could say the same thing about the attractiveness of SJP.... You know, there are a lot of people who think she's pretty.

At some point you have to take into consideration that not everyone is into the same thing.

I don't really like when that involves insulting the person, but whatcha gonna do...

Two Pears Studio wrote:
This is messed up.

Fat is a subjective measurement. There are medical standards of bmi and there are classical measurements created by the ancient Greeks and Romans.

Some might say skinny is bad...

In the late 19th century early 20th, skinny was something the super poor or low class people did. There is a famous painting of a red head woman done by toluse latrec where her body and dress would fit modern standards of "skinny" . The painting was a malnourished prostitute.

Kate Upton is not fat or skinny. She is a healthy woman. Some will say fat, some will say flabby, etc... but again that is subjective. Frankly I find runway standard to be unattractive in person. It looks great on Tv or in photos, but up close it reminds me of the women who I have coached who are anorexic. Anorexia kills.

Some will even claim she is not tone. That is a joke too... tone compared what? Who sets these standards?

This is a messed up joke. People need to find bigger problems.

There are also those who would call her skinny.

So far as tone goes, honestly, she's the same as many models and actresses. I have seen photos and videos where she doesn't look toned. It's called getting out of shape. Then, 6 months later she pops back up and is toned again.

Most people don't stay at one size, they fluctuate a little.

Now, what I don't get is why "this is messed up" that people are calling her fat, but saying that the runway standard is unattractive and reminds you of anorexic girls isn't really complimentary either.

If you're going to say it's messed up to insult a body type, you can't really just pick another one to insult.

Kincaid Blackwood wrote:
Kate Upton must be stopped!




I mean, look at her… about eat a whole damn hamburger. Who does she think she is with her gorgeous ass?

I'm so effing hungry right now.

I'm pretty sure this ad has different effects on different people....

Two Pears Studio wrote:
This is messed up.

Fat is a subjective measurement. There are medical standards of bmi and there are classical measurements created by the ancient Greeks and Romans.

Some might say skinny is bad...

In the late 19th century early 20th, skinny was something the super poor or low class people did. There is a famous painting of a red head woman done by toluse latrec where her body and dress would fit modern standards of "skinny" . The painting was a malnourished prostitute.

Kate Upton is not fat or skinny. She is a healthy woman. Some will say fat, some will say flabby, etc... but again that is subjective. Frankly I find runway standard to be unattractive in person. It looks great on Tv or in photos, but up close it reminds me of the women who I have coached who are anorexic. Anorexia kills.

Some will even claim she is not tone. That is a joke too... tone compared what? Who sets these standards?

This is a messed up joke. People need to find bigger problems.

the standard is that we live in a patriarchal society and as such women's beauty and looks are bound up into the ideal of the "perfect" woman.

If you doubt that then just take a look around the site and ask yourself why most of the photographers are men looking to "capture" and admire and in many ways define female beauty.


Not to get all feminist on the discussion but perhaps the largest determinant of a woman's worth in our society is her sexuality as mostly determined by her looks.

So who sets the standards?

We all do but it's still mostly determined by the male gaze and definitions. 

Women participate with our own opinions but it's often just a mirror of wanting to be the desirable or hot  ourselves.

Sleepy Weasel wrote:
I love going back through this thread and reading all the comments about how Kate is average looking.   If she is what an average woman looks like where you live, then I want to move there.

eons ago I went to college at UCSB (Santa Barbara).  Lots of the frosh girls looked somewhat like her, though they might have had darker or lighter hair, maybe a b cup,etc.


things seemed to have changed a bit over the years.  more freshman bloat even before eating in dining halls.  I think its the collective american diet.

Patchouli Nyx wrote:
the standard is that we live in a patriarchal society and as such women's beauty and looks are bound up into the ideal of the "perfect" woman.

If you doubt that then just take a look around the site and ask yourself why most of the photographers are men looking to "capture" and admire and in many ways define female beauty.


Not to get all feminist on the discussion but perhaps the largest determinant of a woman's worth in our society is her sexuality as mostly determined by her looks.

So who sets the standards?

We all do but it's still mostly determined by the male gaze and definitions. 

Women participate with our own opinions but it's often just a mirror of wanting to be the desirable or hot  ourselves.

A large percentage of my work is painting the figure. The number of women to men I paint is probably 75 to 1. That is primarily there are 100 women interested in posing for every 1 man. I also find the female form better suited to solving the issues in my work.

I don't set the standard of beauty, I paint what shows up. I would say more men's magazines would have images of Kate Upton sized women (in proportion) than traditional women's magazines. Most women's magazines would consider Ms Upton out of shape or fat. So is it the men or perception of what men want that sets the standard... or is it other women?

Ms Upton is what she is... fat, thin, sexy, etc... all subjective and open to interpretation.