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Models who won't read messages
Warning: This is a rant. What is it with models that won't read messages? You know from their profile that they've been online, yet they haven't read your message. I have often seen models read messages and not respond. That's okay, because I just assume they're not interested in the offer. But to not even read the offer is just plain obnoxious and insulting. Oct 27 14 11:41 am Link Garrett Sanders wrote: It happens. Oct 27 14 11:47 am Link You can have the text of a PM sent to your email. The message remains listed as "unread" on MM, even though you have read it. They are reading the message via email, are not interested, and are deleting it without ever opening it on MM. It will appear as "unread" in your outbox forever. Oct 27 14 11:49 am Link Nothing that happens here should surprise you or upset you  Every time I think I've experienced every variation on model communications another variant pops up. You just have to go with the flow. Hopefully, in the end, you manage to find enough model to make it worth sticking around.Oct 27 14 11:51 am Link Put on your big boy pants and get over it !!! Its one model out the hundreds you will work with. If you want better talent go to an agency. Oct 27 14 11:52 am Link Victoria Elle wrote: Thanks, that is helpful to know. Oct 27 14 11:56 am Link Brooklyn Bridge Images wrote: That's a good point! Oct 27 14 11:57 am Link Garrett Sanders wrote: rants don't belong in the photography forum. Oct 27 14 12:01 pm Link I think in order to have a model read and respond your PMs you should do the following. 1)Keep your message short & simple. 2)Ask for a call to action. [What do you really want from her?] Would you like to: ~Set up an appointment. ~I Need her phone number to schedule and confirm an upcoming appointment? ~You just want her to take a look @ your portfolio to let you know if she's interested working with you? Then provide a link right below your message 3) After the call to action put 3 Exclamation points ??? Make it clear that you need an answer. Usually I put 3 Exclamation points because I really want an answer 4) It's way better if you PM a model on Sundays or Mondays. Models during the weekend might be working or they might be socializing, shopping etc. But on Sundays & Mondays, they tend to have more free time in their hands so most likely will have a bit more time to read and respond your messages. 5)One question at the time and between intervals. When I want to to a TFP with a Model I send her 1 message per week. So you don't look at Freak, Stalker or simply a desperate guy with a Camera that needs a model at any cost. : Be nice, patient and cortenous. Oct 27 14 12:31 pm Link Victoria Elle wrote: This, pretty much. L A U B E N H E I M E R wrote: Also this. Oct 27 14 12:31 pm Link Garrett Sanders wrote: Thanks for the warning lol. Oct 27 14 12:51 pm Link Garrett Sanders wrote: Try living in their shoes. Oct 27 14 01:05 pm Link I'd say it was partly a fault of the MM website for not having similar message notifications to facebook and twitter etc but that would be an excuse for lazy people. Models (or anyone) who doesn't respond to a message even though they have been online is not being professional or working hard enough for the industry they are trying to break into. People might say they forgot but the difference between a successful model/photographer (anyone) and an unsuccessful Model is that they keep on top of things and always check their messages. Not checking messages if you are trying to build a reputation in this industry is just irresponsible. Good luck not getting very far Oct 27 14 01:52 pm Link Garrett Sanders wrote: Oct 27 14 02:36 pm Link Garrett Sanders wrote: I have had the exact same problem of sending private messages to models on this website with recent results leaning towards 2 or 3 out of 15 reading the messages, and an average of only one response. I'm sorry to say that I have done it to models myself ... so it is NOT just the models not reading, it's the photographers too. Oct 27 14 03:24 pm Link Garrett Sanders wrote: I agree with you and understand how and why it is frustrating, I've gone through it too. But I've come to the realization that if I want to work with a model, get reasonable rates, no drama, and not get a flake, skip this site and just use an agency. For them, that's their business. They make money off of people setting up shoots, mm makes it's money from people posting here in the forums and off of new members. Different business models at play here. Pick the one you want to use more or think it would work better for your bottom line. I don't think McDonalds comes here for Big Mac models, probably has one of their stores make one for them. Just sayin. Good luck! Oct 27 14 03:34 pm Link How is reading and not responding somehow better than not reading at all? Really you don't need to look at a message to know if you wanna work with someone you just need to look at their portfolio. Either way they're probably showing they aren't interested in working with you and you might as well just not stress about it and move on to someone who does. Oct 27 14 03:41 pm Link Isaiah Brink wrote: I've never used an agency in 30 years of shooting. There are no legit agencies near me, so I've learned how to run my own castings and vetting. This website used to be better than it is now, but with websites like Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, LinkedIn and even Craigslist providing other options for finding, contacting and casting of models. I hear that OMP is still in existence, but I have not been on that site in many years. Do what you have to do! If there is a model I really like on Modelmayhem, I look for links to other places they might be on, and have found many on Facebook. Then once I find that link, I contact them there with more often getting a reply back. Oct 27 14 03:50 pm Link summy123 wrote: Exactly! I don't blame the models at all. A redesign is not going to improve the message system here. It's not going to get models to read their messages. The "Shout" box is a joke! It's going to take more work than a coat of new paint! Admin should look into improving tools on the site, and more so by adding a message system like Facebook's. Then promote the hell out of it! Oct 27 14 03:57 pm Link  Moderator Note!Rants do not belong in the industry forums. Thread moved. Oct 27 14 07:12 pm Link Don't take things personally. Get a thicker skin. Worry about things you can actually change. Oct 28 14 10:16 am Link Sorry, but if this little thing bugs you, then you are doomed. DOOOOOOMED!!! My advice -- expend your energies on the models who will communicate with you. You aren't going to work with those models who ignore you. Oct 28 14 10:40 am Link Models not responding means they don't like your work, they don't like your message, they think that your camera sucks, they don't like you, they think you're ugly, your car is a clunker . . . just kidding.  Just keep on sending them emails. Someone will respond at some point. It's like darts. At some point you will hit the bull's eye. Oct 28 14 10:51 am Link Victoria Elle wrote: Yup. Oct 28 14 11:36 am Link Garrett Sanders wrote: Instead of blanket spaming models, how about putting up a casting call so the models looking for work may take up your wonderfull n generous offers? Oct 28 14 11:55 am Link The F-Stop wrote: Funny the subject of "is it spamming" was brought up recently Oct 28 14 12:32 pm Link Garrett Sanders wrote: In case your didn't know. There is other way to read your message without going through MM inbox. Although the outcome is still the same to you, rest assure that they read it. Oct 28 14 03:54 pm Link Connor Photography wrote: I can assure you not all models read their messages promptly or ever. Oct 28 14 03:59 pm Link Victoria Elle wrote: This ^^^^ Plus some models get many msgs at once that causes their inbox to hide some of the old msgs she/he hasn't got to yet. Oct 28 14 04:06 pm Link MARCO OF ITALY wrote: You are intense, Marco of Italy. Oct 28 14 09:55 pm Link Garrett Sanders wrote: Not sure why they wouldn't read your messages. You have an awesome port. I have not responded to some photog messages, but that is due to that fact that they didn't bother to read my profile or look through my port to see that I will not do nudes or implied. Oct 29 14 04:29 pm Link There are many ... I do mean MANY models on this site who are also using other social media. I created a TOP 6 Bucket List of models I'd like to shoot with who are my "friends" on Facebook. All but one of these models I found first on Facebook, then back tracked them to their Modelmayhem profiles. Some of these ladies are talented actresses with SAG creadits. None are exclusive with any model agency, but they book lots of work from social websites. I found another model just like that yesterday. This happened through seeing a models Youtube video on Facebook, which in turn led me to this other model's Youtube, Facebook, Twitter, and her personal website. Guesss what? On a hunch, I googled and found her Modelmayhem profile too! I've sent her friend requests ... she already has it posted on your MM profile that it may take her some time to get to all requests. I've posted my Top 6 models bucket list here many time, so I wont bother to do that again, but the point I keep trying to make is that ... many of these models who are popular are using multiple websites to promote from. They set up profiles here, and forget about it ... or get too busy to respond. I am very happy about the success I am having from browsing profiles on MM and then searching for their other locations if they don't already have a link posted. They are so much easier to contact on Facebook! Just because you fiond them here, does not mean you have to put blinders on and only attempt to contact them from here. By the way, I am suspicious of those profiles that don't have another link. It's just strange to me that anyone who is serious would rely on only Modelmayhem to find work. Oct 29 14 10:31 pm Link I am starting to see the merits of the arguments that this is a problem. The question is what should we do about it. Do we put them in a time-out? Throw shoes or chairs at them? MM agents/reps in major cities to hand out spankings? How do we solve this problem and force people to Oct 29 14 11:10 pm Link Garrett Sanders wrote: perhaps it has something with notification, the little envelope is easily missed if You're not looking for it. Oct 30 14 10:10 am Link It happens to us too. Right now there is a photographer in NYC who hasn't confirmed a shoot with me on Wednesday. I've worked with him before and we made some amazing images together. He's logged in and specifically avoided reading a message I sent out to him two weeks ago. It happens every once in a while when a photographer contacts me to shoot and we start discussing rates. Clearly he cannot afford to shoot with me and that's fine. I offer all the time to work within budgets but there is a point where if your budget is low, it does not make economic sense for me to do that. When that happens I'm usually told that very thing and everything is okay. When a message goes unread when I follow up, I just move it to the trash folder. This happened to me back in 2011 and the guy contacted me a few weeks ago and we did a shoot for his gallery project. If they're serious about working with you it will happen sooner or later. If not, who cares? Move on. Does this happen often? No. Is it annoying? Extremely. Do I really care? Nope. It's nothing to get upset about, just chalk it up to another lesson learned in life. Oct 30 14 11:34 am Link Garrett Sanders wrote: I try to answer all my messages but man is it difficult! I try to set aside some time twice a week to answer income mail and requests. Just depends on the traffic influx to me. Oct 30 14 12:10 pm Link Garrett Sanders wrote: Better still, they read the message, FRIEND you, and then don't reply. Bizarre. Nov 13 14 02:29 am Link take it easy, sally field. they ALL can't love you.  Nov 13 14 01:38 pm Link Move on. Nov 13 14 05:12 pm Link Model doesn't respond? That's easy - NEXT! Nov 14 14 12:54 am Link |
