Digital Czar wrote:
Do you think applying for a job is the same as a model getting a request from a photographer?

I'm not sure those are on the same playing field at all. If it was a model coming by a studio showing her book on a job and didn't get it, you would have something.

is it okay to bring an escort to a job interview? (; you cannot pick and choose my friend, and that is one of the most used arguments on mm against escorts. (which i myself, do not bring escorts, just kinda ironic) :p as for your situation, starting a rant-like post in the modeling forum wont really make us think of you as a professional. "goes with the territory i suppose." you don't think that might put us off a little bit?
just something to think about!

Anastasie wrote:

is it okay to bring an escort to a job interview? (; you cannot pick and choose my friend, and that is one of the most used arguments on mm against escorts. (which i myself, do not bring escorts, just kinda ironic) :p as for your situation, starting a rant-like post in the modeling forum wont really make us think of you as a professional. "goes with the territory i suppose." you don't think that might put us off a little bit?
just something to think about!

I don't think you know the difference between a "rant" and a "comment" on a situation....Around here when someone comments negatively, it's automatically a "rant" for it goes against the grain of internet modeling where most seem to think selling to photographers is an "assignment or job" when it's vastly different than shooting a real assignment with a client paying good day rates for the photographer and professional model, where there is a significant financial investment on the line.

Alannah J wrote:
OP I think you should take this ^^ in consideration.Imagine if you were a model and some guy who has outdated photos,no MM models listed,and no website sent you a message, most likely you would think they were a fake or some kind of creeper.(I'm not saying that you are those things).But do take in consideration that your problem might be coming from your profile not unprofessional models.

How might that be substantially different from a part-time model(due to circumstances) that has little stats on their site, makes it look like they're in control of the situation and so forth? What might a photographer think that model will do with their photo? I'm just asking, not being critical in the least, but observant.

I'll bet you'd think everything Avedon,Stern,or Scavullo did is out of date since it was in the 60-70's heyday too...

Digital Czar wrote:
I don't think you know the difference between a "rant" and a "comment" on a situation....Around here when someone comments negatively, it's automatically a "rant" for it goes against the grain of internet modeling where most seem to think selling to photographers is an "assignment or job" when it's vastly different than shooting a real assignment with a client paying good day rates for the photographer and professional model, where there is a significant financial investment on the line.

If you really want a make a point, Improve your portfolio. Its like one model said here you come in here upset letting "us models" know how you feel ok,
Are you going to do something about it? Or are you just here to let us models know not to work with you.

Phane wrote:

If you really want a make a point, Improve your portfolio. Its like one model said here you come in here upset letting "us models" know how you feel ok,
Are you going to do something about it? Or are you just here to let us models know not to work with you.

I'll do what I do and be happy with it. I've made my living and a decent one in the business far longer than you've been and adult. Styles change, things go, things come back, things mutate and so on. Much of what I see today that is called "creative" photography are what the business considered "mistakes" of yesterday. Oh, and I've made good money from most of the photos posted here, FWIW. So, get off the horse, this thread is about treating a request professionally, as I have always been treated by modeling agencies and models from those agencies who know what assignments are, what it takes to execute them and make them happen for our clients.

Digital Czar wrote:
I'll do what I do and be happy with it. I've made my living and a decent one in the business far longer than you've been and adult. Styles change, things go, things come back, things mutate and so on. Much of what I see today that is called "creative" photography are what the business considered "mistakes" of yesterday. Oh, and I've made good money from most of the photos posted here, FWIW. So, get off the horse, this thread is about treating a request professionally, as I have always been treated by modeling agencies and models from those agencies who know what assignments are, what it takes to execute them and make them happen for our clients.

Well if that's the case, I don't really see the point your making. It just seems like your here to just Vent, and you have no desire to want to improve, ok! its hard to take anything else you say seriously period.

+I used to hate the "No Response". But after a year and an half, I find a girl writing me back to say "No" is actually more irritating.
There's no really positive way to tell a photographer you're not interested in working with them.
--It's like trying to explain to a girl she's not attractive enough to date.  It's a  No-Win.   "Never complain, never explain"....  When dealing with strangers on the Internet, often,  Silence is Golden.

Garry k wrote:

no response often is a response

+1,000

Phane wrote:
Well if that's the case, I don't really see the point your making. It just seems like your here to just Vent, and you have no desire to want to improve, ok! its hard to take anything else you say seriously period.

I can only say that I have to bite my tongue and not answer you  ...

JonPhoto wrote:

I'm sure many models look at this as opportunities. If they don't respond it means they probably don't see you giving them the opportunity because they don't think you can give them anything better.

Most models here go to school, have one or two jobs. Asking them to work with you just because they MIGHT get exposure is much to ask. Either pay or have a great portfolio. A photographer getting upset they don't get a "no" response is a bit much. Move on to the next one that does want to shoot. No need to get fixated on one model.

You can't even discuss compensation when they don't respond and open some COMMUNICATION! Now if I were a mind reader....it might help.

Digital Czar wrote:

You can't even discuss compensation when they don't respond and open some COMMUNICATION! Now if I were a mind reader....it might help.

And this goes back to they are just not interested in shooting with YOU. Move on to the next one or get with an agency.

JonPhoto wrote:

And this goes back to they are just not interested in shooting with YOU. Move on to the next one or get with an agency.

Then they are not a model....it is that simple.

Digital Czar wrote:

Then they are not a model....it is that simple.

LOL

Digital Czar wrote:
Then they are not a model....it is that simple.

Really? So move on. Not that hard to do.

Garry k wrote:
no response often is a response

True. It is short for:

"I'm not dedicated enough to send you a short note to politely refuse your offer"

Digital Czar wrote:
Models, no matter if beginner or a true pearl, want work. In some cases they want to trade for images for their book. Same can be said for photographers.

However it's particularly galling that people sign up to be a model here, and we know it's in the hundreds of thousands, then don't even have the barest scrap of professionalism to leave  a good image of themselves by answering emails directed to them.

Oh well...goes with the territory I suppose.

You have been here since 05 and still have not figured out this site has pretty much nothing to do with "professionals"

Digital Czar wrote:
Models, no matter if beginner or a true pearl, want work. In some cases they want to trade for images for their book. Same can be said for photographers.

However it's particularly galling that people sign up to be a model here, and we know it's in the hundreds of thousands, then don't even have the barest scrap of professionalism to leave  a good image of themselves by answering emails directed to them.

Oh well...goes with the territory I suppose.

Maybe they don't answer you because "they " (not me) think your work is crap and was shot before they were born?

BIP wrote:

Maybe they don't answer you because "they " (not me) think your work is crap and was shot before they were born?

They could still show some class and reply saying they're not interested.  Takes 10 seconds.

Bill Tracy Photography wrote:
They could still show some class and reply saying they're not interested.  Takes 10 seconds.

I guess I just don't get the importance of this. This is a hobby for most and if you are contacting through mm there isn't an established relationship so nothing is personal. They just don't want to shoot with you. Move on. The bottom line is you are not going to be shooting with the model. Find one that does and concentrate on them.

JonPhoto wrote:

I guess I just don't get the importance of this. This is a hobby for most and if you are contacting through mm there isn't an established relationship so nothing is personal. They just don't want to shoot with you. Move on. The bottom line is you are not going to be shooting with the model. Find one that does and concentrate on them.

I see your point, but I find it a shame that we just give in to what we feel is a fact that this place is not for professionals.  It's a shame we can't strive for better and try to make this a place for professionals.  Oh well.  In a perfect world... lol

Bill Tracy Photography wrote:
I always send messages with detailed descriptions of the shoot, or a link to the casting call that has the shoot details well laid out.

If someone sends me a link to a casting call I assume they are spamming a bunch of models. If you want to hire me, hire me.

JadeDRed wrote:

If someone sends me a link to a casting call I assume they are spamming a bunch of models. If you want to hire me, hire me.

Easier to say, but hardly realistic.  When casting and getting 100 replies back, you will come to the realization that you don't have time to respond and you want what is best of the client.  A bad attitude and lack of enthusiasm is a pass.

sdgillis wrote:

Easier to say, but hardly realistic.  When casting and getting 100 replies back, you will come to the realization that you don't have time to respond and you want what is best of the client.  A bad attitude and lack of enthusiasm is a pass.

I don't understand what you are saying.

JadeDRed wrote:
I don't understand what you are saying.

I'm saying there are a lot of models, and you can't just hire someone as easy as you seem to think it is.  Like any job you have to apply and beat everyone else out who is applying.

*I have also contacted models before just to hire them for pay and still get no response.  Just the way it is.

JadeDRed wrote:

If someone sends me a link to a casting call I assume they are spamming a bunch of models. If you want to hire me, hire me.

They could easily spam you by just copying and pasting the same message that they send to all the other models.  Why does a link to a casting call automatically make it spam?

sdgillis wrote:

I'm saying there are a lot of models, and you can't just hire someone as easy as you seem to think it is.  Like any job you have to apply and beat everyone else out who is applying.

If there are better people applying then why bother contacting me to apply? There may be a few circumstances it makes sense, but not many.

Bill Tracy Photography wrote:

They could easily spam you by just copying and pasting the same message that they send to all the other models.  Why does a link to a casting call automatically make it spam?

It doesn't, I assume it does for the purpose of saving time. Like I said, if you want to hire me, hire me. If you don't want to hire me, why contact me? I can easily find the casting calls section by myself.

JadeDRed wrote:

If there are better people applying then why bother contacting me to apply? There may be a few circumstances it makes sense, but not many.

You ever go to the car rental agency and ask for your car, and they say... sorry sir this is all we have.  Well,... you take what you can get.

sdgillis wrote:

You ever go to the car rental agency and ask for your car, and they say... sorry sir this is all we have.  Well,... you take what you can get.

Again, I don't get what you are saying. If you 'take what you can get' why do you have to go around contacting models, then expect them to compete with each other as suggested in your former post? That sounds like the opposite of taking what you can get.

JadeDRed wrote:
It doesn't, I assume it does for the purpose of saving time. Like I said, if you want to hire me, hire me. If you don't want to hire me, why contact me? I can easily find the casting calls section by myself.

Not all casting calls are here on modelmayhem.com silly!  There's a whole big world out there.

JonPhoto wrote:
And this goes back to they are just not interested in shooting with YOU. Move on to the next one or get with an agency.

Digital Czar wrote:
Then they are not a model....it is that simple.

No, they are models for people they feel have something to offer to them. They don't think you do.

It's like me contacting... I don't know... lets say Mario Testino, he doesn't answer my email, instead of assuming he doesn't want to work with me I say:

Then he is not a photographer... it's that simple.


That's how stupid you sound.

Not to mention: But-hurt and Full of yourself.

Digital Czar wrote:

Well, I guess the capper is to slap me with a sync cord for I failed to notice the "model" that set off my comment hasn't even been here since early December,2012-a cool seven months.

I love it. It helps to use the search filters that are available on this site. I always use the logged in recently filter first and foremost.