GRAF wrote:
A few years ago, if I placed a casting call on MM I would get more responses than I could handle. Now when I post a casting I hear crickets.

On the other hand, almost every model, MUA and stylist I have worked with 'friends' me on Facebook. As a consequence when I post and tag images I get a further response from many of their friends both 'liking' the images and a cascade of friend requests.

Now when I post a casting call on MM, I also post it on Facebook and FB is where I am getting my models; with the exception of the times I go directly to the agency and ask for them.

Yeah, but we are still making those original contacts via MM and THEN we go to FB.

FB isn't killing MM, professional networking on FB is the normal progression after finding people via MM and vetting them.

Facebook isn't hurting MM, if anything FB makes it easier to communicate with contacts you make on MM, so the two are complementary, not competitive.

DougBPhoto wrote:

Yeah, but we are still making those original contacts via MM and THEN we go to FB.

FB isn't killing MM, professional networking on FB is the normal progression after finding people via MM and vetting them.

Facebook isn't hurting MM, if anything FB makes it easier to communicate with contacts you make on MM, so the two are complementary, not competitive.

If that is the case, why is it becoming so difficult to get a casting response on MM?
I have not looked at the traffic stats, but I am guessing that MM traffic has gone down significantly in recent years. Again guessing... but I think people have a limited amount of time they can spend on line and that time has shifted to FB.

Patchouli Nyx wrote:
How do you do a geographic search for model qualities on FB?

bump

P-Studios wrote:
HALF THE MODELS ON MM OUR GONE MM NEEDS TO DO A CLEAN UP ON ANY ONE NOT USING THERE PAGE FOR OVER 9 MO

That would lower the membership numbers and impact ad revenue - something IB values far more then us I am afraid.

Neil Snape wrote:
FB is fast and furious. I even have haters stalking me.....

I got my first one this last two weeks - I guess that means I'm on the right path.

GRAF wrote:
A few years ago, if I placed a casting call on MM I would get more responses than I could handle. Now when I post a casting I hear crickets.

On the other hand, almost every model, MUA and stylist I have worked with 'friends' me on Facebook. As a consequence when I post and tag images I get a further response from many of their friends both 'liking' the images and a cascade of friend requests.

Now when I post a casting call on MM, I also post it on Facebook and FB is where I am getting my models; with the exception of the times I go directly to the agency and ask for them.

There's no forums on Facebook silly(-: but as far as castings go, fb is a good resource yes.

Patchouli Nyx wrote:
How do you do a geographic search for model qualities on FB?

R A V E N D R I V E wrote:
bump

I don't do a geographic search as the facebook group that adds models and photographers are already "Utah based"

For me, I'm sort of like the OP in the fact that I search models here on MM and I put up a casting call and I don't get a lot of responses but if I put up a casting on the FB group, I get LOTS...

I still get tons of responses to my clothed castings, but nude, I have to go to FB ironically.

Now, of course... there are people that want to do an actual search and that is where MM is king.. but for casting calls and "spreading the word"... FB is far superior as you are not limited by having to post a casting call in "Salt Lake City" but I can post a casting call for the whole state OR even two or three states where the city isn't important at all.

Presley ONeil wrote:

There's no forums on Facebook silly(-: but as far as castings go, fb is a good resource yes.

There are facebook groups out there that pepole can start threads about certain topics, yes, it's not as organized as MM... but you can still post topics and people can discuss them

GRAF wrote:
A few years ago, if I placed a casting call on MM I would get more responses than I could handle. Now when I post a casting I hear crickets.

On the other hand, almost every llama, MUA and stylist I have worked with 'friends' me on Facebook. As a consequence when I post and tag images I get a further response from many of their friends both 'liking' the images and a cascade of friend requests.

Now when I post a casting call on MM, I also post it on Facebook and FB is where I am getting my llamas; with the exception of the times I go directly to the agency and ask for them.

Nope.

Two different purposes with some overlap.  I shoot mostly art nudes--kind of hard to display that portfolio on FB.  And given my age, I suspect that in a general community (like FB), me initiating contact with 20 year olds might come off as creepy (unless they're a fulltime llama or already know me).  I get that FB works really well for some photographers and llamas--that's great!  MM is not a "one size fits all".

Ed

J  Welborn wrote:
No not at all-----the Facebook "fad" will go away just as it did for Myspace and any other trash gossip site .

Facebook is for kids and those with too much time on their hands LOL

I agree(in part).  However, MM is designed perfectly as a forum for those engaged in the professional modelling(and associated) trade.   FB is very generalised, from all sorts of people who are not connected to our industry.  There are all sorts of tools in my box like Meetup, Craigslist, FB, Twitter, my own website, agencies, etc. Still, MM is still my most powerful tool to connect with others in my industry.

Anzhelika Yakimenko wrote:
I agree(in part).  However, MM is designed perfectly as a forum for those engaged in the professional modelling(and associated) trade.   FB is very generalised, from all sorts of people who are not connected to our industry. .

FB is what you make it and how you interact and with who.
Adv agencies (WPP), retouchers and some of the worlds finest photographers all on FB.

You have to be joking MM is professional modeling ect. and it doesn't connect with the industry.
Sorry but you've really no idea what your talking about, more MM misinformation.

P-Studios wrote:
HALF THE llamaS ON MM OUR GONE MM NEEDS TO DO A CLEAN UP ON ANY ONE NOT USING THERE PAGE FOR OVER 9 MO

When searching or browsing llamas, just click the Recent Activity link. It'll bring up llamas who are actually signing in.
:-)


And as for Facebook - its nice to have. But it's not MM.
MM was created for us: photographers, llamas, stylists, retouchers. People in the business.

Facebook was made was any joe schmo that has access to the Internet.


I trust the people MM contains much more. It's more personal to me.

Anzhelika Yakimenko wrote:
Simple Solution.  MM/Censoring Assholes might think about interfacing with FB like Twitter did.

I don't think IB have a choice. But then it's up to the individual if they want to create a link between MM and FB.

DanaColePix wrote:
I use FB way more for casting them MM.

I made private groups on FB. WHich is the best way to keep track of everyone and what they do !!
One private group for all the agency model friends and some of the local agencies..  and one group for all the wardbrobe,mua, and hair stylists.

So when I need either, I will post a casting in  my private groups and find what I need the same day or the next day. Has never taken more then 2 days to get over 20 'im interested' replies from qualified models.

So much easier and quicker and no BS

I use MM to mainly chat I use FB to book shoots

If you  know and learn how to use FB right and well....its a powerhorse of a tool !!!

I wish I didn't find FB confusing but the layout/presentation I still find annoying.

Plus, they're even worse prudes than MM about photos you can display.


If FB had modules that allowed me to search discreet information of others in the same module (like models) then I'd find the tool useful.

But then again, I'm not looking to organize profession team/tribes of creatives for massive photoshoots either.

DougBPhoto wrote:
Yeah, but we are still making those original contacts via MM and THEN we go to FB.

FB isn't killing MM, professional networking on FB is the normal progression after finding people via MM and vetting them.

Facebook isn't hurting MM, if anything FB makes it easier to communicate with contacts you make on MM, so the two are complementary, not competitive.

I think that FB is trashing the forums, for a variety of reasons.  It's also taken a lot of the preshoot communications.  Unless MM wants to be a place people store pictures and post profiles, rather than a place for networking, they need to make some adjustments.

A R A G O N wrote:
MM killed MM...

+1

-B-R-U-N-E-S-C-I- wrote:
I can't post nudes publicly on Facebook and I can't create castings specific to my area.

Other than that, it's a very useful resource and I spend a lot of time and find lots of people to collaborate with there.

I do wish that MM would get around to implementing a multi-user message system like they have on Facebook though. I've suggested it in the past and it should be technically fairly easy to do. The ability to message and reply to your whole team at once is very useful and one of the main reasons I now prefer to arrange shoots via Facebook even if I originally found some or all members of the team via MM.




Just my $0.02

Ciao
Stefano
www.stefanobrunesci.com

MM could do a LOT of things but it doesn't seem like IB is too interested in changing it much from what it is.


A serious professional site could have shared planning schedules, team messaging, drop boxes etc making the site an actual planning coordination hub, for a cost obviously.

But if you can't keep the site functioning at a basic level, I don't really see how more advanced functionality is really feasible even if IB had a vision.