Model
Kesharra Weston
Posts: 2
Puyallup, Washington, US
What annoys me is when you set up a shoot with a photographer is how much they pressure you into doing stuff you really dint want to do
Photographer
ChadAlan
Posts: 4254
Los Angeles, California, US
Kesharra Weston wrote:
What annoys me is when you set up a shoot with a photographer is how much they pressure you into doing stuff you really dint want to do You should never let that happen!
Photographer
ChadAlan
Posts: 4254
Los Angeles, California, US
CHAD ALAN wrote:
But seriously, a high percentage of models are serious and ready to work, just gotta find them.
And with different personalities, tastes, humor, etc., It would do a photographer good to brush up on interacting with different personalities in the best way possible, so fun is had by all.
 Amadea T wrote:
Why don't I come on out there and we'll do an instructional video to that avail?
 Why? How many different personalities do you encase in that head of yours?
Photographer
NAZM0
Posts: 63
Cape Town, Western Cape, South Africa
Kesharra Weston wrote:
What annoys me is when you set up a shoot with a photographer is how much they pressure you into doing stuff you really dint want to do Just a question, shouldnt a "no, i prefer not to" be good enough? or do they still insist?
Photographer
Natural Means
Posts: 936
Yamba, New South Wales, Australia
Kesharra Weston wrote:
What annoys me is when you set up a shoot with a photographer is how much they pressure you into doing stuff you really dint want to do Say, once, with a smile "Thats not on my todo list, how about this pose instead...".
If they ask again leave.
Model
Ida Saint-Luc
Posts: 449
San Francisco, California, US
Jupiter Red wrote:
I HATE THIS SENTENCE STRUCTURE SOOOOO SOOO MUCH. Exp:
Hi....I wanted to set up a shoot with you.
Love your work...
Curious about what...we would create together.
Let me know...
Love your work, beautiful...
Serioulsy the creepiest thing ever.
"...." Devils work.
Seriously why?
I feel like you're plotting my murder. Jupiter Red wrote:
Can we all appreciate how hilarious I am? Yes, I LOLed!
Been there.
....Jupiter, chocolate kiss, your quote....
makes me laugh...
...smile
it tells me you have a fun personality...
...let's shoot together....
see... what we create.
Photographer
Risen Phoenix Photo
Posts: 3779
Minneapolis, Minnesota, US
Too many Divas not enough models....
Model
Jupiter Red
Posts: 521
New York, New York, US
Ida Saint-Luc wrote:
Jupiter Red wrote:
I HATE THIS SENTENCE STRUCTURE SOOOOO SOOO MUCH. Exp:
Hi....I wanted to set up a shoot with you.
Love your work...
Curious about what...we would create together.
Let me know...
Love your work, beautiful...
Serioulsy the creepiest thing ever.
"...." Devils work.
Seriously why?
I feel like you're plotting my murder. Yes, I LOLed!
Been there.
....Jupiter, chocolate kiss, your quote....
makes me laugh...
...smile
it tells me you have a fun personality...
...let's shoot together....
see... what we create. Ha!
Love.
So much
<3
Photographer
PhotoNoPhoto
Posts: 85
Brasília, Distrito Federal, Brazil
Ivanafox wrote:
You could maybe add ringing me half an hour before a shoot to make sure I'm coming even though I sent a message the night before confirming all details (I'm usually driving to the shoot and can't answer it anyway). It makes me feel like they think I'm flakey and unreliable and I feel insulted. But having said that I understand many models are flakey and unreliable and on the last few shoots I send a text when I leave home and if I wake them because I usually have a lot of travel time- too bad! I always try to touch base a few hours before a shoot. Usually only if its the first time we have shot together. Most of us have been stood up too many times and left hanging with a rented studio or location. We promise we are not trying to pester you. We just want to make sure we are not going to be sitting waiting for someone who's not going to show.
Unfortunately, I know I am preaching to the model choir on the forums here haha. Keep up the good work everybody.
Model
Rockabella
Posts: 588
Bargara, Queensland, Australia
Talking between shots. I mean like, full length conversations.
The only other thing once was someone literally repeatedly begging me and trying to coerce me into doing some nude stuff in the middle of a shoot. (Even after I kept saying no) I told them they could stop or I was leaving. They stopped.
Model
Cervezax
Posts: 152
Atlanta, Georgia, US
I definitely do not like: -when photographers ask to shoot but do not have a concept in mind. That makes me feel like they're up to something shady. -when photographers ask to shoot but do not include any details such as ideas, location, or compensation -when photographers try to turn shoots into dates -when photographers talk down to the models in the forums and do not expect them to defend themselves -when photographers do not give any feedback during the shoot (how do I know if I'm giving you what you want?) -when photographers try to direct me to do poses but do so in a vulgar or overly sexual way that makes me uncomfortable Also, I know it is a good idea to keep a good relationship with your model after the shoot. However, some photographers just take it to the next level and it comes off creepy. You should be able to read body languages and vibes (after all, you are a photographer) during a shoot to determine what type of relationship you have with your model. After a shoot, it is not always appropriate to keep texting the model things like "good morning beautiful" and adding the model on their personal social networks. Our relationship is a BUSINESS relationship. Okay, sorry for the novel. I'm done here!
Photographer
ChadAlan
Posts: 4254
Los Angeles, California, US
Cervezax wrote:
I definitely do not like:
-when photographers ask to shoot but do not have a concept in mind. That makes me feel like they're up to something shady.
-when photographers ask to shoot but do not include any details such as ideas, location, or compensation
-when photographers try to turn shoots into dates
-when photographers talk down to the models in the forums and do not expect them to defend themselves
-when photographers do not give any feedback during the shoot (how do I know if I'm giving you what you want?)
-when photographers try to direct me to do poses but do so in a vulgar or overly sexual way that makes me uncomfortable
Also, I know it is a good idea to keep a good relationship with your model after the shoot. However, some photographers just take it to the next level and it comes off creepy. You should be able to read body languages and vibes (after all, you are a photographer) during a shoot to determine what type of relationship you have with your model. After a shoot, it is not always appropriate to keep texting the model things like "good morning beautiful" and adding the model on their personal social networks. Our relationship is a BUSINESS relationship.
Okay, sorry for the novel. I'm done here! Does this bolded part really bother you? I add models on IG and occasionally FB. Social networking is a great thing.
Curious.
Photographer
ChadAlan
Posts: 4254
Los Angeles, California, US
Amelia Fae wrote:
Talking between shots. I mean like, full length conversations.
The only other thing once was someone literally repeatedly begging me and trying to coerce me into doing some nude stuff in the middle of a shoot. (Even after I kept saying no) I told them they could stop or I was leaving. They stopped. You mean no really means no?
But...your eyes were saying yes.
/sarcasm
Model
Morganfisher
Posts: 63
Raleigh, North Carolina, US
The first time I did implied I was alone. My friend got sick last minute. As soon as I get there this guy offers me a beer knowing I'm 18. Yeah that made me freak out was so nervous the whole time. Maybe it's just me. Also when photographers say sweety. No. Stahp
Photographer
SPV Photo
Posts: 808
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
Morgandanielle wrote:
The first time I did implied I was alone. My friend got sick last minute. As soon as I get there this guy offers me a beer knowing I'm 18. Yeah that made me freak out was so nervous the whole time. Maybe it's just me. Also when photographers say sweety. No. Stahp You should ALWAYS speak up if the photographer is doing something you don't like. Calling someone sweety is pretty mild, but you certainly have a right to not like it.
Photographer
Carlo P Mk2
Posts: 305
Los Angeles, California, US
CHAD ALAN wrote:
I've seen a few shoots turn around from quiet and "crickets" in the beginning, to enthusiastic, after just a few well placed words and ideas, and showing the model some shots on the LCD.
I gotta admit that this is one of the perks of shooting with digital....or a polaroid back
Photographer
Carlo P Mk2
Posts: 305
Los Angeles, California, US
Model
Shilo Von Porcelaine
Posts: 235
Los Angeles, California, US
When I get images sent back to me literally a year later. Or tagged in them on Facebook.
A year is a long time. I may change my hair style, get new tattoos, ect...if the photos no longer are an accurate representation of what I look like, they are no longer really of any use to me. Plus, if you're committing to a shoot you should commit to editing and getting the model back images in a timely manner or else it's just rude.
Photographer
Mark C Smith
Posts: 1073
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
SPV Photo wrote:
You should ALWAYS speak up if the photographer is doing something you don't like. Calling someone sweety is pretty mild, but you certainly have a right to not like it. I'd have to say calling a model "sweety" is awkward and unprofessional as fuck.
Photographer
RKD Photographic
Posts: 3265
Iserlohn, North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany
Cervezax wrote:
I definitely do not like:
-when photographers ask to shoot but do not have a concept in mind. That makes me feel like they're up to something shady.
-when photographers ask to shoot but do not include any details such as ideas, location, or compensation
-when photographers try to turn shoots into dates
-when photographers talk down to the models in the forums and do not expect them to defend themselves
-when photographers do not give any feedback during the shoot (how do I know if I'm giving you what you want?)
-when photographers try to direct me to do poses but do so in a vulgar or overly sexual way that makes me uncomfortable
Also, I know it is a good idea to keep a good relationship with your model after the shoot. However, some photographers just take it to the next level and it comes off creepy. You should be able to read body languages and vibes (after all, you are a photographer) during a shoot to determine what type of relationship you have with your model. After a shoot, it is not always appropriate to keep texting the model things like "good morning beautiful" and adding the model on their personal social networks. Our relationship is a BUSINESS relationship.
Okay, sorry for the novel. I'm done here! 'Concept'?
What concept?
99% of the time the 'concept' consists of: you come to my studio, take off your clothes - or don't - and I photograph you. Sometimes I might even move the lights around if I'm feeling energetic... but don't count on it.
Photographer
RKD Photographic
Posts: 3265
Iserlohn, North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany
Morgandanielle wrote:
The first time I did implied I was alone. My friend got sick last minute. As soon as I get there this guy offers me a beer knowing I'm 18. Yeah that made me freak out was so nervous the whole time. Maybe it's just me. Also when photographers say sweety. No. Stahp Beer? 18? Guy was a gent. We start on beer at the age of 6 here... you poor saps...lol
Photographer
Another Italian Guy
Posts: 3281
Bath, England, United Kingdom
RKD Photographic wrote:
Sometimes I might even move the lights around if I'm feeling energetic... but don't count on it. Glad somebody's willing to go the extra mile!
Just my $0.02 etc. etc.
Photographer
RKD Photographic
Posts: 3265
Iserlohn, North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany
Another Italian Guy wrote:
Glad somebody's willing to go the extra mile!
Just my $0.02 etc. etc. Profeshnial, that's me...
Photographer
Herman Surkis
Posts: 10856
Victoria, British Columbia, Canada
Shilo Von Porcelaine wrote:
When I get images sent back to me literally a year later. Or tagged in them on Facebook.
A year is a long time. I may change my hair style, get new tattoos, ect...if the photos no longer are an accurate representation of what I look like, they are no longer really of any use to me. Plus, if you're committing to a shoot you should commit to editing and getting the model back images in a timely manner or else it's just rude. Yep.
And guilty of same.
Although not a year later.
Model
P I X I E
Posts: 35440
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Shilo Von Porcelaine wrote:
When I get images sent back to me literally a year later. Or tagged in them on Facebook.
A year is a long time. I may change my hair style, get new tattoos, ect...if the photos no longer are an accurate representation of what I look like, they are no longer really of any use to me. Plus, if you're committing to a shoot you should commit to editing and getting the model back images in a timely manner or else it's just rude. Yeah, I had a photographer tag me in a photo from a shoot I did back in May 2013 just recently. This one kept whining that models were flaking on him. Oh right, taking 10 months to edit a photo is no biggie. 
Photographer
udor
Posts: 25255
New York, New York, US
Cervezax wrote:
some photographers just take it to the next level and it comes off creepy. Professionally speaking:
Damn', you are beautiful! 
Photographer
udor
Posts: 25255
New York, New York, US
Morgandanielle wrote:
As soon as I get there this guy offers me a beer knowing I'm 18. Yeah that made me freak out was so nervous the whole time. Maybe it's just me. Also when photographers say sweety. No. Stahp I am so glad for so many reason that I had the fortune to being born and raised in Germany before I came to the States as an adult...
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_drinking_age#Europe
Germany
14 for beer and wine (with permission of and in the presence of legal guardian)
16 for beer and wine
18 for spirits
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Photographer
MRP-Photography
Posts: 816
Karlsruhe, Baden-Württemberg, Germany
udor wrote:
I am so glad for so many reason that I had the fortune to being born and raised in Germany before I came to the States as an adult...
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_drinking_age#Europe
Germany
14 for beer and wine (with permission of and in the presence of legal guardian)
16 for beer and wine
18 for spirits
================================================= Hi Udo, I'm having a cold Desperados right now. Prost ;-)
Photographer
udor
Posts: 25255
New York, New York, US
STAHLWERK wrote:
Hi udor, I'm having a cold Desperados right now. Prost ;-) Na denn... hoch die Tassen!
Photographer
Herman Surkis
Posts: 10856
Victoria, British Columbia, Canada
Amadea T wrote:
This was meant to spark some positive interaction, not a form upheaval over what is and isn't a 'real' or 'proper' photographer/model, nor the behavior that goes with either.
Can't we all just get along? This used to be fun. Now one must censor one's every breath, or one runs the danger of being forever shunned from the ranks of all that is good and photogenic.
I has a sad.  This is MM, 'get along'...you dreamer.
So sweet.
And this should be linked in the photographers forum.
The smart ones can skip the crap, and just learn from the many excellent points.
Model
Elizabeta Rosandic
Posts: 953
Santa Fe, New Mexico, US
Jupiter Red wrote:
I HATE THIS SENTENCE STRUCTURE SOOOOO SOOO MUCH. Exp:
Hi....I wanted to set up a shoot with you.
Love your work...
Curious about what...we would create together.
Let me know...
Love your work, beautiful...
Serioulsy the creepiest thing ever.
"...." Devils work.
Seriously why?
I feel like you're plotting my murder. Your post inspired me to search through the depths of my messages from YEARS ago and find this gem:
Subject: l i k e s
Photog: 2 photo u
Me: Sorry, I don't understand.
Photog: love 2 photo u
smiles ~ (name omitted)
Me: Ok, what are you looking to shoot? And what are you offering in terms of compensation?
Photog: I have to understand where you feel tender.. I want what is in your
heart to be seen and captured in your eyes... can you do that ? I have
Me: Sorry, I do not understand. You're going to have to be more specific. And could you answer my previous questions? Thanks.
Photog: Elizabeta,
NO! i I desire to photograph you! that is my desire. simple.
That is all, that is the best, as it shall be.
Smiles, Hugs and Love !~ (name omitted)
Me: Ok, great. Can you tell me what kind of shoot you are looking for? And what your offering for compensation?
Photog: Elizabeta
how are you comfortable? I have offered my time and skill, you have yet offered your beauty for a price. romantic as fashion seams, breast
i quest the offering price?
Me: I have no idea what you're trying to say to me. If you want to shoot with me my typical rates are $X per hour.
Photog: Elizabeta,
I am sorry if you feel my tone was not sincere. I was looking at you as feminine beauty. As I still do... never as a hour rate.. that's me not you.. i will remix in my thinking now.. i don't usually pay models.
I just told him to fuck off after that
Photographer
Jerry Nemeth
Posts: 33355
Dearborn, Michigan, US
Elizabeta Rosandic wrote:
Your post inspired me to search through the depths of my messages from YEARS ago and find this gem:
Subject: l i k e s
Photog: 2 photo u
Me: Sorry, I don't understand.
Photog: love 2 photo u
smiles ~ (name omitted)
Me: Ok, what are you looking to shoot? And what are you offering in terms of compensation?
Photog: I have to understand where you feel tender.. I want what is in your
heart to be seen and captured in your eyes... can you do that ? I have
Me: Sorry, I do not understand. You're going to have to be more specific. And could you answer my previous questions? Thanks.
Photog: Elizabeta,
NO! i I desire to photograph you! that is my desire. simple.
That is all, that is the best, as it shall be.
Smiles, Hugs and Love !~ (name omitted)
Me: Ok, great. Can you tell me what kind of shoot you are looking for? And what your offering for compensation?
Photog: Elizabeta
how are you comfortable? I have offered my time and skill, you have yet offered your beauty for a price. romantic as fashion seams, breast
i quest the offering price?
Me: I have no idea what you're trying to say to me. If you want to shoot with me my typical rates are $X per hour.
Photog: Elizabeta,
I am sorry if you feel my tone was not sincere. I was looking at you as feminine beauty. As I still do... never as a hour rate.. that's me not you.. i will remix in my thinking now.. i don't usually pay models.
I just told him to fuck off after that 
Model
Valhallas_Angel
Posts: 46
Tucson, Arizona, US
In December, I didn't realize exactly how amateur someone who was paying to shoot me was, and I had to set up his lighting for him, plus I kept saying I needed to leave at a certain hour (before dark). and he kept me two hours extra, I still haven't figured out what to do if that happens again, such double my rate for every extra hour, but that seems a bit harsh to me...still thinking on that one... 
Photographer
Grady Richardson
Posts: 278
Houston, Texas, US
Naila Nude wrote:
I know with my generation I should have no complaints,
but it grinds-my-gears when I give a photographer my number to call me and he/she text simply messages me. I like to have a verbal conversation before confirming a shoot. I prefer text to verbal communications for two reasons. First, I'm hard of hearing and so dislike phone conversations in general. Second, I like to have a written record, because I'm usually trying to set up several shoots at any one time and I like to be able to bring up a record of what was said to whom and when.
Photographer
Orca Bay Images
Posts: 33877
Arcata, California, US
Cervezax wrote:
I definitely do not like:
-when photographers ask to shoot but do not have a concept in mind. That makes me feel like they're up to something shady. Sometimes I have a look or concept in mind already. Sometimes the looks we shoot will depend on the circumstances yet to be determined. What is established, though, is a desire to shoot together; the details we can work out. If a model thinks that's shady, that's her loss.
Photographer
Penumbra Photography
Posts: 593
Sacramento, California, US
I've been told from several models that they like how much critique I give during the shoot. They say they like that I give direction when needed and talk to them through the shoot. They also seem to love when I show them a few shots in the camera, It seems to get them excited to get better results and it makes them feel like they're doing really well.
And as far as pet names, I don't think I've ever had a model get offended at me for referring to them as doll face. But it might also be because I'm a woman and it's not me trying to pick them up. I wouldn't suggest photographers use pet names unless you know for certain it will not offend or scare the model. I've had other photographers call me sugar lips and sweetie before, it didn't bother me as long as they meant it as a friendly gesture and not a sleazy come on. Some times it's hard to tell the difference though and you should always clarify if it bothers you, models.
Photographer
Michael N P
Posts: 29
Roseville, California, US
This is a very old thread but timeless in content. I can't tell you from a model's perspective and I hesitate to contribute because this is a model's thread but I have seen other photographers .. I hesitate to say contribute; some contributed, some trolled.
What I dislike is photographers ruining the reputation of the rest of us by acting inappropriately. Models should be told in advance what the shoot consists of and not push for any more. The skill level of the photographer should be disclosed. There is nothing wrong with saying "this is my very first shoot." I disclose on my profile what I am interested in and that I shoot for the love of art and fun. I've had fantastic shoots and total disasters.
If photographers behaved models would enjoy their work more and there would be less suspicion of photographers the models have not worked with before. I truly like most of the models that I have met and would hate to think of them in a situation that makes them feel unhappy with their choice to model.
I salute all the models that are patient, caring, punctual, and professional! Without you, there would be so much less art in this world.
Photographer
L O C U T U S
Posts: 1746
Bangor, Maine, US
I hate it when the photographer does a fake Australian accent, goes all crocodile hunter and is like " Ohhh ISN'T SHE A BEAUTY!, here she is in her natural habitat. Proud strong, magnificent. I want to touch her But I am scared..., " Then from behind the photographer the voice of a model " hey douchebag, you going to pay attention to me some time today?" Throwing her an annoyed glance the photographer replies; " SHHHH, QUIET! I am admiring my gear" ( this wasn't me... i sware...)
Model
L J K
Posts: 267
Dunedin, Otago, New Zealand
I worked with a photographer that refused to set up a shoot without a phone call. That's cool, that's fairly normal for online bookings. But not when the phone call is 45 minutes of me saying "mhmm" and him telling me full length stories about a model's life. Even when I tried directing the conversation to wardrobe or even direction of the shoot, he kept gabbin' away until the last 30 seconds where he quick told me to bring basic jeans and tanks.
Yo dude, I don't care much to know about the girl that cried because you wouldn't shoot TF with her so her mom called you, and when she came into the studio....yada yada. Let's confirm times, concepts, wardrobes, compensation and hang up.
Photographer
Fotticelli
Posts: 12252
Rockville, Maryland, US
Risen Phoenix Photo wrote:
Too many Divas not enough models.... No kidding. All this whining annoys the crap out of me.
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