Erlinda wrote:
Suck it. Hobbyist aren't photographers.... They are hobbyist! There for I am not disrespecting photographers.... I was making a joke, no need to get your panties in a twist

udor wrote:
I actually disagree, Erlinda.

A photographer is someone who uses that medium to create images.

A professional photographer is someone who is getting paid to take photos.

A hobbyist/amateur photographer is someone who has an income from another source, but can often produce professional level photography.

Being a professional is no guarantee that the photos are actually "good".

There are people who work in another field but have a fully equipped photo studio and are happy to create art... in my opinion... they are photographers...

The terms professional and hobbyist/amateur are simply labels to describe sources of income...

Erlinda wrote:
It's your opinion and we will just agree to disagree. I would call them an artist but not a photographer. (My opinion)

Erlinda, it may be *your* opinion, but it also happens to be incorrect.  A photographer is a person that takes photographs.  Any person. That's it. That's the actual definition of the word, and Udor is spot on. 

What you like to think does not change the reality of the actual and correct definition of the word "photographer."

P I X I E wrote:
Sure, people gossip, I just find there's a time and place for it.

I just don't like having a photographer talk shit about how models are flaky and unreliable, IN MY FACE. Or how some photographer is such a creep. Trust me, I've witnessed a lot of stuff like that and it makes me unconformable at best.

I've had a few 'photographers' show me images of another model's spreads. 
And I mean spreads. As in Pink stuff. Here's some TMI: One of them was not clean. *cringe*
(Yea, I can never, ever unsee that,  and now I'm taking you all down with me!!! You dirty fuckers!!!! )

WHY?!?!?!?!?!?!?!  What a world!!!! I'm melting!!!!!! 
*claws at face*

Amadea T wrote:

The one in Texas sucked baws. But then, if ya don't eat meat, whaddaya eat in Texas!?!?  (acutally, Pappadeaux's bestest fucking lunch under $25: dozen slimeys, dry martiny, pepper crusted raw tuna with avocado. DA SHIZNIT. !)

http://toronto.lovinghut.ca/index.html

Their desserts are by the company I'll be working for, Sweets From The Earth. And I can definitely vouch for them.

Amadea T wrote:

I've had a few 'photographers' show me images of another model's spreads. 
And I mean spreads. As in Pink stuff. Here's some TMI: One of them was not clean. *cringe*
(Yea, I can never, ever unsee that,  and now I'm taking you all down with me!!! You dirty fuckers!!!! )

WHY?!?!?!?!?!?!?!  What a world!!!! I'm melting!!!!!! 
*claws at face*

...Why were they showing you those in the first place???

P I X I E wrote:

http://toronto.lovinghut.ca/index.html

Their desserts are by the company I'll be working for, Sweets From The Earth. And I can definitely vouch for them.

DUDE!!!! Do NOT get me started on that fucking everything free and totally moist (yeah, baby. I said it. You're welcome. ) chooooooocoooooooolaaaaate cake!!! Who needs sex any more!?

Amadea T wrote:

DUDE!!!! Do NOT get me started on that fucking everything free and totally moist (yeah, baby. I said it. You're welcome. ) chooooooocoooooooolaaaaate cake!!! Who needs sex any more!?

http://www.sweetsfromtheearth.com/product.html?pid=33

P I X I E wrote:

...Why were they showing you those in the first place???

One was showing me 'their work', while explaining that said 'model' took them for a few hundred extra to have them go down on her.

Same 'model' took two photogs like that for months (cause they were, like, 'seeing' each other... yeah, right!), for several thousands, as I found out later... when I burst a couple of lonely bubbles... only a coupla hundred miles apart...

So good for reputations and business. *sigh*


Sometimes I refuse to even consider that those bitches belong to the same species.

Amadea T wrote:

One was showing me 'their work', while explaining that said 'model' took them for a few hundred extra to have them go down on her.

Same 'model' took two photogs like that for months (cause they were, like, 'seeing' each other... yeah, right!), for several thousands, as I found out later... when I burst a couple of lonely bubbles... only a coupla hundred miles apart...

So good for reputations and business. *sigh*


Sometimes I refuse to even consider that those bitches belong to the same species.

Damn.

P I X I E wrote:

http://www.sweetsfromtheearth.com/product.html?pid=33

GAR.

Revenge:

(make sure your dude *cough splutter clears throat pardon* I mean Husband 'stumbles' over this site BEFORE the next big anniversary, lady!)
http://www.annsummers.com/

Amadea T wrote:

GAR.

Revenge:

(make sure your dude *cough splutter clears throat pardon* I mean Husband 'stumbles' over this site BEFORE the next big anniversary, lady!)
http://www.annsummers.com/

P I X I E wrote:
Damn.

Dis.
Gus.
Ting.

Problem was, both the fellas were genuinely nice people and IMHO actually not creepy in the slightest. Besides the ...well. Whatever. Lonely curmudgeons with plenty of baggage. Chef don't judge.

Or they were just scared of me... No, they were perfectly respectful of my boundaries and did not try anything on.

Erlinda wrote:
I'm just stating my opinion that someone that does photography as a hobby is NOT a photographer.

  I have seen many newbie hobbyist out shoot so call photographers who claim 20 + years of experience.

barepixels wrote:

  I have seen many newbie hobbyist out shoot so call photographers who claim 20 + years of experience.

Me too.

JLC Images wrote:

Not all gossip has to be super negative.  Besides, I have yet to meet a model, photographer or human that doesn't gossip a little.  So serious.

Gossip is what you do with your friends not with people you will probably never see again.

I personally listen to models talk about their lives etc.... Very fascinating, you should try it

JLC Images wrote:

Not all gossip has to be super negative.  Besides, I have yet to meet a model, photographer or human that doesn't gossip a little.  So serious.

Gossip is what you do with your friends not with people you will probably never see again.

I personally listen to models talk about their lives etc.... Very fascinating, you should try it

barepixels wrote:
  I have seen many newbie hobbyist out shoot so call photographers who claim 20 + years of experience.

Erlinda is incorrect, and her opinion does not change the actual definition of the word "photographer."

Erlinda- I love your work, but you are not any more of a "photographer" than the hobbyists.  You're a "professional" photographer, which only means you make money/make a living off of your work.

Amadea T wrote:
I found The Loving Hut (sounds like a brothel, is but an eatery! a VEGAN one!!! Amazing flavors, textures, it's healthy and it's cheap!!!)

I would be perfectly fine with a vegan/vegetarian brothel as long as they don't serve beans, (I like beans. I just don't think they would mesh well in a vegetarian brothel; or any type of brothel).

CDP Photo wrote:

I would be perfectly fine with a vegan/vegetarian brothel as long as they don't serve beans, (I like beans. I just don't think they would mesh well in a vegetarian brothel; or any type of brothel).

Don't you concern yourself with brothels now, young man...are you studying for the quiz?

barepixels wrote:

  I have seen many newbie hobbyist out shoot so call photographers who claim 20 + years of experience.

So have I.... But I still don't call them photographers

MelissaAnn  wrote:

Erlinda is incorrect, and her opinion does not change the actual definition of the word "photographer."

Erlinda- I love your work, but you are not any more of a "photographer" than the hobbyists.  You're a "professional" photographer, which only means you make money/make a living off of your work.

It's just my opinion. It's not correct to you but to me it is.

P.s thank you for the kind words. You are a very beautiful woman and I love your portfolio

MelissaAnn  wrote:
Erlinda, it may be *your* opinion, but it also happens to be incorrect.  A photographer is a person that takes photographs.  Any person. That's it. That's the actual definition of the word, and Udor is spot on. 

What you like to think does not change the reality of the actual and correct definition of the word "photographer."

+1,000

MelissaAnn  wrote:

Erlinda wrote:
Suck it. Hobbyist aren't photographers.... They are hobbyist! There for I am not disrespecting photographers.... I was making a joke, no need to get your panties in a twist

udor wrote:
I actually disagree, Erlinda.

A photographer is someone who uses that medium to create images.

A professional photographer is someone who is getting paid to take photos.

A hobbyist/amateur photographer is someone who has an income from another source, but can often produce professional level photography.

Being a professional is no guarantee that the photos are actually "good".

There are people who work in another field but have a fully equipped photo studio and are happy to create art... in my opinion... they are photographers...

The terms professional and hobbyist/amateur are simply labels to describe sources of income...

Erlinda, it may be *your* opinion, but it also happens to be incorrect.  A photographer is a person that takes photographs.  Any person. That's it. That's the actual definition of the word, and Udor is spot on. 

What you like to think does not change the reality of the actual and correct definition of the word "photographer."

+1

barepixels wrote:
Us hobbyist shouldn't be concern with the label "photographer"  We should care how we can excell with the "craftmanship"

BTW Amelia Simon (Mayhem #2277933) and I won MM photo of the day  today  YAY

Go congrats her   https://www.modelmayhem.com/2277933

Congrats to the both of you! 

MelissaAnn  wrote:
Congrats to the both of you! 

Thank you, She deserve most of the credits.  I just stood there, played "simon says" and "click"

Art Silva wrote:
Most annoying thing photographers do? ^^^ that.

Disrespecting other photographers to drive their ego.

Erlinda wrote:
Suck it. Hobbyist aren't photographers.... They are hobbyist! There for I am not disrespecting photographers.... I was making a joke, no need to get your panties in a twist

So Erlinda, are you saying I am not a "photographer"?

I don't make a living or bother to market my work yet I have been a (published) hobbyist for three decades, process my own film/print work, use darkrooms and shoot every kind of camera I can get my hands on.

By your logic I have no business making photos and calling myself a photographer if I don't shoot portrait/fashion for clients. That's ridiculous.

Getting paid to shoot digital fashion portraits does not constitute the title of photographer if you are comparing yourself to someone who is a true student of the craft in every photo medium. (like how I flipped the script there?)

The study of capturing light... That is what Photography means btw.
A photographer is one who practices photography.

barepixels wrote:
Us hobbyist shouldn't be concern with the label "photographer"  We should care how we can excell with the "craftmanship"

BTW Amelia Simon (Mayhem #2277933) and I won MM photo of the day  today  YAY

Go congrats her   https://www.modelmayhem.com/2277933

Congratulations!  She is a great model.

Eric Jackson wrote:
I live by a simple rule...Leave these women alone.

.. except for the couple of hours when they're actually in front of a photographer hobbyist lame old fart GWC pervert's camera, of course!

Jupiter Red  wrote:
I HATE THIS SENTENCE STRUCTURE SOOOOO SOOO MUCH. Exp:

Hi....I wanted to set up a shoot with you.
Love your work...
Curious about what...we would create together.
Let me know...
Love your work, beautiful...


Serioulsy the creepiest thing ever.
"...." Devils work.
Seriously why?
I feel like you're plotting my murder.

Pet peeves :

1. When the same photog messages me repeatedly, asking to shoot on a tf basis
After I've politely explained I don't wana shoot tf with you.
Starting a new convo thread will not cause amnesia
I remember you dude.

2. Feeling the need to tell me what I can/ cannot do.
"You're only 5'8, just shoot nudes." I don't recall asking for your opinion. Kiss my ass.

3. Fashion photogs who contact me for "secret" tf nude projects, and then refuse to shoot clothed work with me. You don't deserve my nakedness.

4. Pet names
I'm not your babe, sweetie, babygirl, angel, chocolate drop

5. Calling me Chocolate kiss
6. Calling me Chocolate dream
7. Calling me Chocolate
Like dude, I'm black,that shit is weird.

8. "Grrrr" Seriously I have had photogs (growl?) at me.
Why in the holy hell would you make that sound at me.
I hope you choke.

9. There is a difference btw wanting me to play a "role" in a shoot
And tryna turn it into a personal fantasy.
Yes we can shoot a sexy school girl shoot.
No I will not be "your" sexy school girl .

Ugh so glad to get this stuff off my chest

Funniest post I've read in a while; thanks for the laugh!

Erlinda wrote:

Gossip is what you do with your friends not with people you will probably never see again.

I personally listen to models talk about their lives etc.... Very fascinating, you should try it

I am friends, friendly or become friends with the people I shoot, now THAT you should try!

MelissaAnn  wrote:

Erlinda wrote:
Suck it. Hobbyist aren't photographers.... They are hobbyist! There for I am not disrespecting photographers.... I was making a joke, no need to get your panties in a twist

Erlinda, it may be *your* opinion, but it also happens to be incorrect.  A photographer is a person that takes photographs.  Any person. That's it. That's the actual definition of the word, and Udor is spot on. 

What you like to think does not change the reality of the actual and correct definition of the word "photographer."

The actual definition by dictionary.com pulse oxford dictionary is

photographer
fəˈtɒgrəfə/
noun
1.
a person who takes photographs, especially as a job.
"a freelance press photographer"
synonyms:    lensman, paparazzo, documentarian;

Soooooooo I'll stick to my opinion. And you can stick to yours

JLC Images wrote:
I am friends, friendly or become friends with the people I shoot, now THAT you should try!

I'm friends with some of the people I work with. Being friendly and becoming friends with people doesn't mean that you should gossip. If someone was trying to become friends with me and all they did was gossip, all I'd be thinking is wow I can only imagine what they'd say about me behind my back.

Like I said before gossiping is something that is done with good friends not randoms you are getting to know.

Erlinda wrote:
The actual definition by dictionary.com pulse oxford dictionary is

photographer
fəˈtɒgrəfə/
noun
1.
a person who takes photographs, especially as a job.
"a freelance press photographer"
synonyms:    lensman, paparazzo, documentarian;

Soooooooo I'll stick to my opinion. And you can stick to yours

I see the problem, you are skipping the main (1st) primary definition. Highlighting an example is just that, an example of the person who takes photographs.
her, I' re do it and you'll see where the inflection of the definition is...

The actual definition by dictionary.com pulse oxford dictionary is

photographer
fəˈtɒgrəfə/
noun
1.
a person who takes photographs, especially as a job.
"a freelance press photographer"
synonyms:    lensman, paparazzo, documentarian;

That there means a person (= anyone) who makes photographs. You just highlighted ONE example of a photographer. lol

So would you NOT call a person who cooks meals for free a cook? or a hobbyist?

Erlinda wrote:
The actual definition by dictionary.com pulse oxford dictionary is

photographer
fəˈtɒgrəfə/
noun
1.
a person who takes photographs, especially as a job.
"a freelance press photographer"
synonyms:    lensman, paparazzo, documentarian;

Soooooooo I'll stick to my opinion. And you can stick to yours

Nice job adding the bold, but it would appear you're about 5 words too late.