Darkroom Art wrote:
I'm another one who works with his wife. The only real contact was when a model was leaving after a shoot. We were talking & she told us that we were fun to work with & she shook hands with us. Great model, business savy with a professional attitude. Hired her a couple more times.

Mnemosyne Photography wrote:
Well, let's just say he touches.

Art of the nude wrote:

It's "sexual harassment" if it's unwelcome sexual touching (or comments / etc).  NOT when it's an essential part of the project.

In most jobs, you can't insist the the person you're hiring be black, or blond, or 34C, or over 5'9", or all sorts of things that can be perfectly justified in model photography.

Be more informed!!

There is a problem in modeling, especially photo shoots, sexual harassment…


Sexual harassment is a form of sex discrimination. From the other hand, it relates to any mental, emotional or physical pain resulted by disagreeable sexual advancement, requests for sexual favor, sexual comments or any form of verbal and/or physical sexual activity that hurts the personality or integrity.
Sexual harassment/ violence in a workplace/ home are not normal but common. Her exposure to the world as individual personality has initiated her to earn her own identity. She likes to live her own and expects right to get respect.
Gary W. Charpentier, the author of the article “Sexual Harassment in Modeling” says that many photographers “have had to take classes in the prevention of sexual harassment at their place of employment.”
The author substantiates and delivers a strong message to all potentially involved in sexual harassment in modeling, especially photographs and promoters: “It you want to engage in behaviors that are potentially harassing, please don't do it at a photo shoot…. Take yourself into a strip club or nude bar and do your hooting, hollering, cat whistles, ogles, and other things. At least there the women expect it, and are hopefully being paid enough to put up with it… Photographers, please wake up! She is a model. Nothing more, nothing less. Treat her professionally and you will get some great photos. Keep your solicitations to yourself. Keep your hands off her.”
The article was written as far back as in 1994, but today Charpentier’s  seems to have been formulated just now: “photographers, the shoots are not a boys' club environment, where the girls are there for your pleasure. They are models, many of them professional quality. Treat them as professional models. Show them courtesy and respect. They appreciate it and it will show in your pictures….”
Whereas most of materials on the subject have traditionally been devoted to protection of women against sexual harrassment, the article “How to avoid sexual harassment from gay agents” at http://www.campusmen.com/male-modeling/ … s-sex.html contains a kind of respective instructions for prospective male models/. The message and advice, in brief, is as follows. “Play It Smart by Keeping Quiet” - Simply make intelligent choices that help your career. After you become an established male model, always leave an agent whose priority is sex. “Don't Respond to Sexual Comments” - Often the agent's first step toward seducing a guy is to start making flirtatious comments. It's best to politely avoid these discussions from the start. “Don't Fail the Test. Avoid the Test!” - Don't make him think he has a chance. Get Reliable Info from Established male models. “Don't Be Homophobic”
If you are still interested in becoming a male model, now you know some valuable theories that you can use to protect yourself and further your career. If the idea of working with unethical agents is too much for you, consider the time you save by choosing another career. Still, with some diligent street smarts, you can be successful and avoid being sexually harassed.
Also, male models are advised to attend a party at an agent's home with another male model, or a group of friends; never make anti-gay statements to an agent or to other male models, never discuss the subject; never assume other male models you meet are straight; Never accuse an agent of being unscrupulous; avoid becoming close to an agent and discussing your personal life with an agent; Never discuss what you do in bed.
The above set of instructions and advice can be useful for both female and male models.

Wolfstar Studio wrote:
I looked. You're right, there's no way she would have been able to adjust all that herself. It was worth the effort, great pic.

Thank you, was pretty tricky in a pitch black tunnel where you could barely see 2ft in front of your face.

Mnemosyne Photography wrote:
That's a trick McNally learned from an old photographer as well.

I don't doubt it for a minute.

hartcons wrote:
if so it doesn't seem to have hurt his career. i think he just shot katy perry. the world isn't always sanitized for our protection and some take more risks than others.

i also read about one lady who said "i won't do nudes unless richardson or la chapelle ask me to"

Hmmmm, how much did you google about him?

ICON Photography wrote:
im just curious to find out why so many photogs reply to a model to model Q'???...

The same reason models post in the Photographer forum

Mnemosyne Photography wrote:
Hmmmm, how much did you google about him?

BlackxxxRose wrote:
Considering all of my work is lingerie or otherwise 'adult' oriented, as long as they warn me first and aren't touching my privates then I don't mind. I always bring my roommate on shoots anyways and 9 times out of 10 they just tell him to adjust me. The 10th time the photographer told him (not asked) to use a babywipe to wipe the lint that had gotten stuck to my vulva during position change up. It comes in handy bringing someone who's allowed to touch me without asking.

Oh Christ.

EFT Digital Photography wrote:
Be more informed!!

There is a problem in modeling, especially photo shoots, sexual harassment…


Sexual harassment is a form of sex discrimination

it's too early in the morning for this much fear mongering.  just let me say, you are wrong.  your understanding of that term is fundementally wrong.

the fact that you see sex under every rock, is an issue you need to deal with.  Just because a photographer brushes a hair out of a models face, doesn't mean he/she is making sexual advances on the model.  Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

EFT Digital Photography wrote:
Be more informed!!

There is a problem in modeling, especially photo shoots, sexual harassment…

-edits the hells out of your post for both space saving and brain cell saving-

Lemme guess, you're a dude! *checks profile* YUP, you got a penis!

Here's the thing, oh fearmongering sweetums. Sex discrimination relates to being treated unfairly or overall differently compared to someone of the oppostie gender. Example, if we both were running for a job with the exact same qualifications, same history, same background, clean criminal records, even wearing a similar pantsuit, but you got the job, and I ask what the deciding factor was, and I get the answer because he is a man, THAT'S a form of sex discrimination.
Sexual HARRASSMENT is the unwanted physical, emotional, or mental touching or words mainly sexually based. In honesty, it is a form of abuse or bullying in some cases. To say that a photographer who politely asks beforehand if it is ok to touch a shoulder to brush back a model's hair into place or some other truly innocent gesture is even in the same ball park as someone who makes vulgar comments or tries to force sex on someone is absurd.
You obviously don't know what you are talking about, so I suggest keeping your virtual mouth shut and consider this battle lost. Also, go to a women's shelter and see what they would think about your little theory, I highly doubt you would find many who would agree with you.

Nadeshiko Yamato wrote:
Also, and this is where the pre shoot talk comes in handy, it depends on what the model knows about art. I'm an artist and I feel I have a much better handle on how a photograph will look compared to most. On a shoot a few months back, I incorporated a prop and had done an idea that the MUA (my friend) thought would have looked bad, but I went with it anyway and later showed in the photos what came through and went 'see? this is what I was talking about there was nothing to worry over'
I mean hey, I've seen photos photographers have uploaded of me that look so bad for all involved when I KNOW there are amazing photos that they could have uploaded instead. Luckily, this is a very rare occurance, but still.

I have been guilty of giving a look to a photographer when he asks for a pose that I know will just look stupid, because I know my body and what looks good for me, and I know what tends to look good in photos done in whatever similar style we are doing.

I rarely feel the need to adjust a model who knows what she's doing.  They are, for the most part, pretty good at posing themselves.  Generally it's the newbie models that may require a bit of adjustment.  (Though even with the experienced models I've had to move aside the occasional stray hair)

I ask, tell them what I'm making the adjustment for, then show them the shot after so they can see what I meant visually.

Damon Banner wrote:

it's too early in the morning for this much fear mongering.  just let me say, you are wrong.  your understanding of that term is fundementally wrong.

the fact that you see sex under every rock, is an issue you need to deal with.  Just because a photographer brushes a hair out of a models face, doesn't mean he/she is making sexual advances on the model.  Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

when the rains stops I'm going to go look for more sex. There's plenty of rocks in the back yard   As for a cigar  being only a cigar sometimes, that was fine until Bill Clinton.

Nadeshiko Yamato wrote:

Lemme guess, you're a dude! *checks profile* YUP, you got a penis!

Here's the thing, oh fearmongering sweetums. Sex discrimination relates to being treated unfairly or overall differently compared to someone of the oppostie gender. Example, if we both were running for a job with the exact same qualifications, same history, same background, clean criminal records, even wearing a similar pantsuit, but you got the job, and I ask what the deciding factor was, and I get the answer because he is a man, THAT'S a form of sex discrimination.
Sexual HARRASSMENT is the unwanted physical, emotional, or mental touching or words mainly sexually based. In honesty, it is a form of abuse or bullying in some cases. To say that a photographer who politely asks beforehand if it is ok to touch a shoulder to brush back a model's hair into place or some other truly innocent gesture is even in the same ball park as someone who makes vulgar comments or tries to force sex on someone is absurd.
You obviously don't know what you are talking about, so I suggest keeping your virtual mouth shut and consider this battle lost. Also, go to a women's shelter and see what they would think about your little theory, I highly doubt you would find many who would agree with you.

Wow I actually have a 19 year old kid telling me I'm wrong,my battle is not lost,your the one that pretty much have no clue what your talking about.Make your travels around the world a few times and then come back to me and defend yourself.Wow a 19 year old
   If you give someone the okay to touch you then you'll be the one that pays the piper,everyone in the world isn't that polite,you'll never know when you run into that one person that'll try to go further than he or she will.
   It's pretty bad when the world finds itself having a 19 year old kids telling someone that 3 times older than me she knows more.All I gotta say is God help us in the future.If you a graduate from law school that has passed your bar exame then speak until then get your facts right and then open your mouth.

InnaDaVida wrote:
I will let a MUA, stylist, wardrobe designer touch me during a shoot but never the photographer.

What is your policy on touching?

My policy is never touch the model. I always explain what I am doing and talk through what I need. If for some reason I need to touch the model I would let them know first in a question and get their permission. (ie: Can I move your elbow where it should be in the frame?)

- Phen

Lumigraphics wrote:
In honor of this thread, I'm touching a model the next chance I get.

I guess I've touched a few

Nadeshiko Yamato wrote:

Lemme guess, you're a dude! *checks profile* YUP, you got a penis!

Here's the thing, oh fearmongering sweetums. Sex discrimination relates to being treated unfairly or overall differently compared to someone of the oppostie gender. Example, if we both were running for a job with the exact same qualifications, same history, same background, clean criminal records, even wearing a similar pantsuit, but you got the job, and I ask what the deciding factor was, and I get the answer because he is a man, THAT'S a form of sex discrimination.
Sexual HARRASSMENT is the unwanted physical, emotional, or mental touching or words mainly sexually based. In honesty, it is a form of abuse or bullying in some cases. To say that a photographer who politely asks beforehand if it is ok to touch a shoulder to brush back a model's hair into place or some other truly innocent gesture is even in the same ball park as someone who makes vulgar comments or tries to force sex on someone is absurd.
You obviously don't know what you are talking about, so I suggest keeping your virtual mouth shut and consider this battle lost. Also, go to a women's shelter and see what they would think about your little theory, I highly doubt you would find many who would agree with you.

They would never tell you why they chose another candidate. Its also discrimination if they choose a woman over a man because shes a woman.

Collin J. Rae wrote:


I guess I've touched a few

Aww.. When I saw your name I just KNEW you were gonna give me one.. *sigh* oh, well..

InnaDaVida wrote:
I will let a MUA, stylist, wardrobe designer touch me during a shoot but never the photographer.

What is your policy on touching?

No no.  It's "don't FEED the models" - pervy touching is obviously cool.

InnaDaVida wrote:
I will let a MUA, stylist, wardrobe designer touch me during a shoot but never the photographer.

What is your policy on touching?

Photographers have cooties!

InnaDaVida wrote:
I will let a MUA, stylist, wardrobe designer touch me during a shoot but never the photographer.

What is your policy on touching?

For me it's actually not about whether the person stepping into the shot to make adjustments is MUA, stylist, or tog.  It's not about the sex of the person either.  It's about whether the touching is pervy.  Gut instinct will say either this person is touching me for the benefit of the shoot or because s/he is a pervert...  My policy is black and white and grey all over

EFT Digital Photography wrote:

Wow I actually have a 19 year old kid telling me I'm wrong,my battle is not lost,your the one that pretty much have no clue what your talking about.Make your travels around the world a few times and then come back to me and defend yourself.Wow a 19 year old
   If you give someone the okay to touch you then you'll be the one that pays the piper,everyone in the world isn't that polite,you'll never know when you run into that one person that'll try to go further than he or she will.
   It's pretty bad when the world finds itself having a 19 year old kids telling someone that 3 times older than me she knows more.All I gotta say is God help us in the future.If you a graduate from law school that has passed your bar exame then speak until then get your facts right and then open your mouth.

Wow.. You fail..

BlackxxxRose wrote:
Considering all of my work is lingerie or otherwise 'adult' oriented, as long as they warn me first and aren't touching my privates then I don't mind. I always bring my roommate on shoots anyways and 9 times out of 10 they just tell him to adjust me. The 10th time the photographer told him (not asked) to use a babywipe to wipe the lint that had gotten stuck to my vulva during position change up. It comes in handy bringing someone who's allowed to touch me without asking.

When a model had a string hanging I just told her to fix it and she did.   

Shane Noir wrote:
Yeah.... 2 seconds of getting hair out of the way saves 30 minutes of work in photoshop-- per strand!

+1 absolutely!!!

If there is anything I most likely to touch on a model it's her hair and always with permission. But if she actually told me "No" I could not touch her hair. I would not work with her again. Fixing hair in photoshop is NOT fun.

Most of the time I work one on one with he model at least on the first shoot (I don't bring in others until I'm 100% sure the model is reliable, my test shoot is to test the models reliability more than anything else.) . If I have a MUA present I'm happy to have him or her to the touching for me.

Some models and weird rules or are over anti-touchy I just don't work with them.

There is an unlimited number of models and women that I can turn into a model for me to have to deal with that.

InnaDaVida wrote:
I will let a MUA, stylist, wardrobe designer touch me during a shoot but never the photographer.

What is your policy on touching?

Good to know.  I will never work with you when you are the last model on earth. 

Having said that, Models touch me and I touch models all the time.  What so big deal, we are in the same professional level.  Lighten up and put some passion in modeling. 

YvonneEmilie wrote:
Here's something I thought of....

Working with other people is all about compromise, right?  No matter what type of business you are in (or hobby) if you work with someone else, someone is going to have to compromise eventually.   That's just the nature of human relationships.

It really seems reasonable to me, that if a photographer is used to touching a model without asking, and a model is uncomfortable with that, that the photographer compromise and ask before touching.

And vice versa.  If a model is used to never being touched ever, but the photographer likes to adjust clothing, hair, etc himself, then it seems reasonable to me that the model compromise and let the photographer adjust things/touch in a non-grope-y way.  And if the model did her reference checks, she should have at least some level of trust that the photographer in question will not touch her to grope.

If a model can't compromise like that...then she/he is probably in the wrong business.


I compromise on my shoots all the time.  If I'm going to compromise on reasonable things, I expect other people I'm working with to be willing to compromise as well.  I'm not talking about serious compromises, but small things.

Try this approach:

If you compromise, both loose...  If you complete and collaborate with each other, everyone wins!

EFT Digital Photography wrote:
Wow I actually have a 19 year old kid telling me I'm wrong,my battle is not lost,your the one that pretty much have no clue what your talking about.Make your travels around the world a few times and then come back to me and defend yourself.Wow a 19 year old
   If you give someone the okay to touch you then you'll be the one that pays the piper,everyone in the world isn't that polite,you'll never know when you run into that one person that'll try to go further than he or she will.
   It's pretty bad when the world finds itself having a 19 year old kids telling someone that 3 times older than me she knows more.All I gotta say is God help us in the future.If you a graduate from law school that has passed your bar exame then speak until then get your facts right and then open your mouth.

so rather than attacking her argument, you attack her age. 

I also notice you didn't respond to me at all, why?  because you have no retort?  Because you don't know my age? 

You have yet to tell her why she is wrong.  You've lost.  Just move on.